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1 posted on 01/05/2006 7:17:04 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
"I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."

-- President Andrew Jackson - (1824)

"Of all forms of tyranny the least attractive and the most vulgar is the tyranny of mere wealth, the tyranny of plutocracy."

~ Theodore Roosevelt

Snow urges Congress to raise debt limit
2 posted on 01/05/2006 7:20:46 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Determined to show that the free trade policies it has pushed so zealously have produced only benefits for the U.S. economy, and not sagging living standards

Personally I've had a record-breaking year economically and work for a manufacturer of technical equipment. I also do some consulting and have pretty much had to turn away jobs. YMMV.

6 posted on 01/05/2006 7:30:49 AM PST by bkepley
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The claim often made by whiners and gloom and doomers of the negative savings rate in this country is totally bogus. When the savings rate is calculated NONE of the following are used in the calculation;

Stocks, bonds, real estate, collectibles of any kind such as art, coins, precious metals, etc. In fact all that is used top compile these savings rates is cash in the bank in the form of savings/checking accounts and cd's.

America and Americans have never been more prosperous then they are today with home ownership at record levels and more people employed then ever before in the nations history. Are there pockets of unemployment and economic disruption? Sure there are but this has always been true no matter what period of time one examines.
7 posted on 01/05/2006 7:31:22 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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Free trade can only benefit both sides. If one side does not benefit, trade will not occur.

When it comes to economics, the WSJ hits the bullseye, as usual.

9 posted on 01/05/2006 7:35:53 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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The Journal made clear its ability to tune out economic reality in a brief titled "Cheers." According to Journal editorialists, rising holiday sales figures belie the Democrats' efforts "to throw soot on the growth story by constantly saying that median incomes are falling."

I'm willing to bet that the Journal (in an editorial? titled "Cheers") used more than retail sales figures to argue the economy is doing well.

13 posted on 01/05/2006 7:50:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Willie Green
Tonelson's the one who is being dishonest here.

According to Journal editorialists, rising holiday sales figures belie the Democrats' efforts "to throw soot on the growth story by constantly saying that median incomes are falling." As the editorial condescendingly explained, "Judging by these holiday sales, somebody must have money."

Real per capita consumption is a better measure of rising incomes and has increased at an average annual rate of 2.3% during the past 30 years. Per capita consumption in the U.S. has doubled since 1975. Maybe Tonelson can explain how each American's real consumption could have doubled if real salaries were not growing.

Wages of Prosperity

Of course, it's possible to make this argument with a straight face only by forgetting a little economic and financial concept called debt.

From David Malpass at NRO:

The third quarter of 2005 was also the first since 1947 when net national savings as a whole went negative.

The official savings rate measure does not consider economic gains from patents, innovation, capital gains or land appreciation. Since 1997, Americans have cashed in more than $3.5 trillion in capital gains.

Yes, somebody has to have the money to finance the nation's ongoing shopping spree. Increasingly, however, it's not Americans, but their foreign creditors.

The fact that Americans have per capita assets of $89,800 makes us the top saving country in the world. (Japan is second at $76,900 per head.)

Tonelson is no different than Krugman or Paul Craig Roberts in that all of them intentionally ignore the facts to advance their anti-trade/anti-Bush agenda.

15 posted on 01/05/2006 8:10:58 AM PST by Mase
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As the editorial condescendingly explained, "Judging by these holiday sales, somebody must have money."

True. There are a lot of people with money to spend. It's the same as there have always been. One rich guy spends thousands of dollars and "consumer confidence" is up and the recession is over.

25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:52:53 PM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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Yes, somebody has to have the money to finance the nation's ongoing shopping spree. Increasingly, however, it's not Americans, but their foreign creditors.

so China is going to pay my Visa bill?

28 posted on 01/05/2006 2:03:10 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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