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The book:

”The Legacy of Jihad. Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims,” edited by Andrew G. Bostom, foreword by Ibn Warraq, Prometheus Books, New York, 2005, pp. 762.

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1 posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:11 AM PST by NYer
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Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:42 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: SJackson

Ping!


3 posted on 01/05/2006 6:26:28 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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the newly elected pope Leo IV began the construction of walls around the entire perimeter of the Vatican, 12 meters high and equipped with 44 towers.

Today, most of Italians, with great support from their European brothers and one half of America, would declare this wall insensitive to the needs of the immigrant population. Shouldn't borders be open at all times, both to friend and foe?

5 posted on 01/05/2006 6:41:30 AM PST by TopQuark
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There was a Muslim mini-state in southern Europe during the post-Carolingian period, centered on Fraxinetum. To this day there are towns in southern Provence with Muslim names. They raided as far as southern Germany (Swabia - modern-day Baden-Württemberg) and were only beaten back after they kidnapped (hmm, some things never change) St Maiolus, the abbot of the great Abbey of Cluny.

You have to hunt around to find much about it. Older history texts are best. The newer ones are too PC to admit to the notion that Muslims tried to pillage and conquer Europe other than Spain.

8 posted on 01/05/2006 6:59:57 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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Ping. This needs to be in your metalink post(s).


10 posted on 01/05/2006 7:22:06 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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This is all undoubtedly true, but Christianity is on the wane in most parts of the world and Islam is on the rise.

More catholics means when the crunch comes, they will be sacrificial lambs. I don't believe Christianity will prevail over Islam until the return of Christ.

What really complicates the issue, is that for the first time in history, there are a significant number of people who are weary of religion, all religion. I think irreligious people are siding with Islam because they want to see it used as a force in their war against Christianity.

For some bizarre, inscructable reason, they see Islam as less threatening than Christianity. Christianity has become so divided and fragmented, it fails to provided a united front and has its bizarre elements and sects. They want to be rid of Christianity in any form because it is their perception that Christians block scientific and their version of social progress. They have blinders on. All their social experimentation will come to a screeching halt once Islam suceeds in reaching critical mass in various countries. It does not require a majority to cause mayhem. A majority will cause worse than mayhem.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. This has been snowballing for centuries, and there is no way Islam will ever accommodate itself to western ideals universally which I think the movers and shakers at the head of social change are banking on. There are some who will become more enlightened and tolerant, but I fear they will be the minority.

There is an energy driving Islam which tends toward violence and bloodshed. To some extent that was true with Christianity in the past, but much of that was in self-defense.

13 posted on 01/05/2006 7:32:19 AM PST by Aliska
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Bostom is an epidemiologist living in Providence, Rhode Island. But perhaps this very distance from the academic world of the oriental and Islamic studies scholars leaves him more free from the taboos that gag many of these.

So the work will be completely ignored since it did not come from one of the anointed elite. That is why if you want to seriously study history, you have a much better time if you focus on old books.

Harold Lamb's books on the Crusade are great.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 7:41:02 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Interesting article. Wish the school systems would teach history as it happened and not agenda driven politicalzation.
22 posted on 01/05/2006 7:56:27 AM PST by kindred (Lord,thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:)
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That night, the basilica of St. Peter gleamed with breathtaking brilliance. A few years earlier, Leo III’s predecessor, pope Hadrian I, had covered the entire floor of the sanctuary with plates of silver; he had covered the walls with gold plates and enclosed it all with a balustrade of gold weighing 1,328 pounds. He had remade the sanctuary gates with silver, and had placed on the iconostasis six images also made of silver, representing Christ, Mary, the archangels Gabriel and Michael, and saints Andrew and John. Finally, in order to make this splendor visible to all, he had ordered the assembly of a candelabrum in the form of a huge cross, on which 1,365 candles burned.

. . .

What happened is that in 846 some Muslim Arabs arrived in a fleet at the mouth of the Tiber, made their way to Rome, sacked the city, and carried away from the basilica of St. Peter all of the gold and silver it contained.

Frankly, with no disrespect meant to the Pope, any time you cover a Church with that much gold and silver the proper response is for someone to sack the Church and deflate your ego a bit. That much money on the floor is just asking for it. Make it beautiful and opulent, but its not a palace, it’s a Church. That much gold and silver, imho, moves beyond providing the proper respect to the Tabernacle, and begins to shift the focus to men and their wealth, detracting from the worship of God. The muslims probably did us a favor in sacking it.

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23 posted on 01/05/2006 7:59:16 AM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: NYer

Excellent post. I went ahead and posted Walter Brandmuller's entire presentation, which seems quite a lucid and historically sound approach ... and a breath of fresh air amongst all this Religion of Peace codswallop out there.

Thanks. good dialogue


27 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:22 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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Recently I watched a documentary on building Domes, they basically make plain that many Istanbul mosques were inspired by The Church of the Holy Wisdom which the Muslims stole and converted into a mosque. It's very sad.


31 posted on 01/05/2006 9:19:04 AM PST by x5452
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The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam

59 posted on 01/08/2006 6:10:55 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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BTTT!


60 posted on 01/10/2006 10:08:04 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The Vatican will be attacked early in the next decade. Both Pope Pius X and Pope Pius IX saw a vision of it, in addition to prophecies of some saints.


61 posted on 10/09/2006 2:46:42 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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MORE ISLAMOPHOBIC BIAS AND LIES!

"Jihad" means doing something nice. Like adopting a cute little puppy dog and keeping him warm. Or buying a lollypop for a child. Or helping a Jew cut his head off. Do not believe all the lies about Jihad being violent!

62 posted on 10/09/2006 3:29:44 PM PDT by montag813
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Western liberals are unable to arrive at an intellectually coherent and morally honest condemnation of the genocidal ideology of jihad because, enmired in secular humanism and moral relativism, they are not clear in their own minds what they stand for. Indeed, Western liberals already are imposing a suicidal genocide of depopulation on themselves.

You have to be for something in a metaphysical sense in order to understand why mass murder is wrong. Western liberals categorically refuse to come clean here. Having abandoned Christian civilization, they are confused even as the barbarians are piercing the gates...

67 posted on 10/09/2006 4:30:19 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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bttt


74 posted on 10/09/2006 6:15:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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