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"Yeah sure, the University of Bologna, Sorbonne, Oxford, Cambridge they were all Islamic madrasas, or maybe they were the creation of the brave atheists and secularists."

Honestly, I didn't think I'd have to explain this. Many Muslims look at the so-called Golden Age of Islam as the birth of modern science. They're wrong, of course, but at least their scientific climax predates Roman Catholic acceptance of science. They also claim that the Koran is filled with scientific truths; that's patently absurb, but Muslims still use it to claim that Islam created science.

"And somehow the leading oldest US schools were created by the churches:"

And this proves what, exactly? At which of these schools did Copernicus study? How about Galileo?

I didn't claim that church-founded schools are inherently anti-science (or at least not all of them). Rather, I disputed your claim that the Roman Catholic Church CREATED science. Your post does nothing to address my rebuttal. In fact, it would be called a red herring.

Let me reiterate--science predated the RCC, and thus the RCC (and those other churches) did NOT invent science. Not in Europe. Not in America.

Honestly, I didn't think I'd have to explain this. Many Muslims look at the so-called Golden Age of Islam as the birth of modern science. They're wrong, of course, but at least their scientific climax predates Roman Catholic acceptance of science.

Oh really? And when, pray tell, do you date the Catholic Church's acceptance of science?

At which of these schools did Copernicus study? How about Galileo?

Coperincus studied at the Jagellonian University, founded and run by devout Catholics. Galileo studied at the University of Pisa, which had a similar story.

Copernicus was never persecuted by the Church. Galileo was only persecuted because he was pontificating on the theological implications of the Copernican system. He was never persecuted because of his science.

In fact, the Church never persecuted anyone for doing science. I defy you to name one person who was. No, Galileo does not qualify, for the reasons mentioned above. Nor does Bruno, who was persecuted for his panthesitic theology, not his science.

Let me reiterate--science predated the RCC, and thus the RCC (and those other churches) did NOT invent science.

You treat science as some nebulous mythical entity. Western science with its rules, organization, hierarchy (doctors, professors, corporations) and practice was created in the Middle Ages by the Roman Catholic Church along with the development of scholasticism and network of universities which were given charters and funding.

Science did not jump out of the head of Zeus and was not even the continuation of Platonic Academy or Pythagorean secret societies. Your anti-Christians bias blinds you to the historical fact.

This that the natural sciences are based on the belief on intelligible and consistent rules governing the visible Universe is not a coincidence. It is the logical outcome of scholastic theology and philosophy.