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To: Fester Chugabrew
I would have questions as to how the abstractions of math can be accurately applied to physical objects

Feel free to come up with an example of a physical object that the abstractions of math do not apply to. I'm sure physicists will be very interested in your reply.

For example, if these calculations, or this definition of intelligence, can be applied to an object that is known to be the product of human intelligence, how much does it tell us, and how accurate is the telling?

You are either being intentionally dense or you have a really difficult time with reading comprehension.

One more time: There is no more intelligence implied by the existence of a physical object than the intelligence of the physical object itself. Period. End of story. In other words, the existence of a rock implies no more intelligence than exists in that rock, no matter what its form. The existence of a statue does not imply an "intelligent sculptor", though at least we are pretty sure sculptors exist. The existence of a human implies no more intelligence in the universe than is intrinsic to that human -- not very much in other words.

This is really an elementary notion that you are very resistant to even though a little thought should make it obvious that this must be the case. The fact remains: there is no construct in the universe that requires intelligence to have been formed. Just because you wish it was not so does not change this fact.

704 posted on 01/04/2006 8:08:37 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: tortoise
The fact remains: there is no construct in the universe that requires intelligence to have been formed.

Yeah. It's all 1s and 0s. It is a simple matter to assert that intelligence is not a "requirement" WRT to any physical object. But is it such a simple matter to prove that the measure of predictive error complexity objectively applies to, or represents, the physical world?

706 posted on 01/04/2006 8:36:32 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: tortoise
Feel free to come up with an example of a physical object that the abstractions of math do not apply to.

Why should I feel compelled to provide evidence that would controvert the scientific model of intelligent design? Why don't you supply an example of a mathematically inaccessible entity so we can all be amused by the chaos?

707 posted on 01/04/2006 8:39:38 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: tortoise
The existence of a statue does not imply an "intelligent sculptor", though at least we are pretty sure sculptors exist.

Wow. Pretty sure. Umm-hmm. To be honest, I've never seen a guy carving rock into statues. You may be right. All the evidence heretofore is hearsay. Good heavens. The Statue of Liberty may have sprung up out of the Hudson River by a pure act of nature. I'm pretty sure it didn't, but only pretty sure.

709 posted on 01/04/2006 8:47:41 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (optional, printed after your name on post)
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