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To: Havoc

For "treason lobby" phrase to work, people wouold have to know of whom you apply this term to, what it entailed, and why this lobby is out to destroy America.

The funny thing is, that you and I probably agree,to one level or another, on many of the issues at hand, but your default posistion of attacking anyone who suggests that Unions are all but blemsih free, leaves little room for rational discussion.

Best of luck in your career pursuits.


743 posted on 01/05/2006 11:42:56 AM PST by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu

I never said Unions were blemish free. I'm just not allowing that Unions are to blame when you have not established that to be the case and when it is absurd on it's face. How about if I try to get you to agree that free trade is about union busting? I don't think it is though it will be a side effect that is unavoidable. Present an argument of worth. So far you have not. You merely want me to assume your right without presenting anything that would make that assumption seem reasonable, much less correct.

I have noted that Chinese labor is far cheaper than our legal minimum wage and cheaper even than our legal tipped wage rate which is less than half the normal minimum if memory serves. It's one thing to seek cheap labor. One can bust unions without subverting the entire US economy to do so. Harder still to imagine is how non-union offshoring could be the proximate cause of Unions. If one were rebelling against union wages, one would expect companies that are union shops to be the ones doing it - pretty exclusively and from the outset. You haven't shown that to be the case and I can and have provided names of offshoring companies that are non-union and are driving the competition to offshore. Saying it's so doesn't make it so. And I'm not going to assume you're right just because you want agreement without proof.


747 posted on 01/05/2006 12:10:01 PM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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