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To: Andrewksu

I never said Unions were blemish free. I'm just not allowing that Unions are to blame when you have not established that to be the case and when it is absurd on it's face. How about if I try to get you to agree that free trade is about union busting? I don't think it is though it will be a side effect that is unavoidable. Present an argument of worth. So far you have not. You merely want me to assume your right without presenting anything that would make that assumption seem reasonable, much less correct.

I have noted that Chinese labor is far cheaper than our legal minimum wage and cheaper even than our legal tipped wage rate which is less than half the normal minimum if memory serves. It's one thing to seek cheap labor. One can bust unions without subverting the entire US economy to do so. Harder still to imagine is how non-union offshoring could be the proximate cause of Unions. If one were rebelling against union wages, one would expect companies that are union shops to be the ones doing it - pretty exclusively and from the outset. You haven't shown that to be the case and I can and have provided names of offshoring companies that are non-union and are driving the competition to offshore. Saying it's so doesn't make it so. And I'm not going to assume you're right just because you want agreement without proof.


747 posted on 01/05/2006 12:10:01 PM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Havoc

New York Transit strike http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543903/posts

1000's at Delphi retire early ar GM's expense
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1512485/posts

Boing Halt's production after strike
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475833/posts

GM Presses UAW for Health-Care Deal http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502308/posts

Big Dig crane and backhoe operators caught snoozing, reading and joy riding are paid about $102,000 a year, according to prevailing wage rates. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1496226/posts

Longshoremen accused of slowdown in west. Average $100,000-120,000/yr
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/775773/posts


Unions work hard to create a divisive atomosphere between employee/employer. You should read my roommates TWU newsletter, and then tell me I should be all for Unions.


Unions and Politics- most Unions give to democrats and support the worst of liberal aggendas.

The NEA gives 65 Million to liberal cuases http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550951/posts

NEA Annual meeting.
Consider the first 10 agenda items from the NEA’s recent national meeting (brought to my attention courtesy of blogger Captain’s Quarters):

1) [No description] — defeated

2) Participate in a union-funded anti-Wal-Mart publicity campaign — adopted

3) Investigate financial firms that support private Social Security accounts — adopted

4) Add "other" and "multi-ethnic" to all forms asking about ethnicity — adopted

5) Commemorate a 1966 NEA merger — adopted

6) Form a coalition to preserve the status quo on Social Security policy — adopted

7) Inform members about the niceties of different pension plans — adopted

8) Publish an article on the purported ill effects of perfume — adopted

9) Provide funds for air quality seminars — adopted

10) Form a work group on health care issues — adopted
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442338/posts


AFL-CIO spending on politcal advertising and PACs
http://www.nrtw.org/d/political_spending.htm

Unions are not the only problem causing off shoring/out sourcing. Here is a post I made from a Ford topic.

"Well, this is a multifaceted problem, our labor costs overall are too high. Base wages + medical beni's + OSHA + EPA + legal, etc. all add up to a major expense per employee. It is difficult to keep pace with China and Mexico, but we can if we stop artificial wage increases, implement massive tort reform and privatize Medicare/aid to lower medical costs, and encourage our citizens to get a good education we can tie off this bleeding, but at the current rate, we will be a service only economy."


749 posted on 01/05/2006 2:07:00 PM PST by Andrewksu
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