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Middle Class Job Losses Batter Economy
Associated Press | January 2 2006 | Associated Press and Vicki Smith

Posted on 01/02/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by ventana

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To: nopardons
Pity that the only refutation you can muster, is by FRAUD.

Really?
381 posted on 01/02/2006 9:07:36 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
No, artificially.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh...it's FRAUD when you mess with someone else's post.

382 posted on 01/02/2006 9:11:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: hedgetrimmer

oh Paaahhhleeeze!

that is ridiculous....

when I shop for a car- I worry about safety, I worry about gas mileage, I worry about how many seatbelts it has- since I have 3 kids- and we like to take friends camping with us, etc...

It is NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB to tell corporations how to make thier products. The government is the most inefficient part of this country. They vote twice on weather or not to vote on a resolution that ends up with a vote of over 200 to THREE!

Make your case- don't throw out ridiculous questions that insinuate you KNOW something and then throw out pathetic things like...

"you don't pay attention.........very unconservative of you"

How old are you, 12?

I have run 2 political campaigns, have lobbied my state legislators, been escorted out of my state capitol by 2 state police officers, spent Saturday afternoon with Herman Cain in his studio while he did his show... don't you talk down to me about not paying attention...LOL!

stop with hyperbole and make your point. I am not opposed to learning anything you may know that I don't. I am not arrogant and all knowing. My original post here was asking questions- you were the one that went lunatic about welfare, illegal immigration and neighbors.....

LOL!


383 posted on 01/02/2006 9:11:39 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: nopardons
it's FRAUD when you mess with someone else's post.

Like claiming I said something about voting when I didn't?
384 posted on 01/02/2006 9:15:25 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: eeevil conservative
RE: "I had NO IDEA what illegal immigration, welfare, and standing up for my neighbor had to do with this UAW president saying that over 30 yrs was not a secure job. . .yes- I am a nerd- I love to learn..."

I agree with the several replies that you posted. Yes sir, stick to the topic. The topic is economics. The fact that we stray from the individuals in the posted article matters little to me. It's still economics, in particular jobs and the availability of jobs for citizens.

Well, the government-estimated population of ILLEGAL immigrants is somewhere around ten million. That affect jobs -- that's a a fact not tinfoil hat stuff.

So here is the connection to ILLEGAL and legal immigrants all included in what the study calls "recent immigrants," citizens and jobs:

"The number of new immigrant employed who came into the U.S. between 2001 and 2003 was estimated to be somewhere between 1.7 and 1.9 million in 2003 while the number of employed native born and established immigrants fell by more than one million between 2000 and 2003."

The study is by the Center for Labor Market Studies Northeastern University Boston, Massachusetts. Similar studies were releases over the past couple of years by Pew Hispanic Center and the Center for Immigration Studies.

This one, "New Immigrants in the Labor Force and the Number of Employed New Immigrants in the U.S. from 2000 through 2003: Continued Growth Amidst Declining Employment Among the Native Born Population", is at

http://www.nupr.neu.edu/01-04/immigration_jan.pdf

Any comments?

385 posted on 01/02/2006 9:16:40 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

are you trying to refer to the fact that Ford and Mazda are the same thing nowadays? I worked on cars- ran a shop for a few years in the mid 90's- so I know all about the fact that much of the Fords are NOT 100% made here in America- especially the parts....

Are you suggesting that the gov't try to force companies to keep all operations within the country? That's REAL conservative.....oy!

this may not be what you are trying to say-- but at this point I am left to guessing because you are not being clear or making any points.....


386 posted on 01/02/2006 9:17:59 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: Mase
In this alternative universe, limited government-minded, market-extolling conservatives are traitors while those who love government and disdain markets are the patriots.

What alternative universe would that be, aha now I see, the one that features the motto "IN FREE TRADE WE TRUST" on all the coinage; heck, by the same token we ought to do away with standing armies, jails and prisons, police, and criminal and admiralty courts... more enlightened economic policies should make all of that evil government overhead unnecessary too...

387 posted on 01/02/2006 9:18:17 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Sunnyflorida

Lecture me all you wish.....or pretend to. I live it every day in a Fortune 10 corporation. I know how it works, friend.

You are deluded. QtQ results are not related to 'liquidity' in the slightest. That's just a joke. Get out from behind that computer and come play in the real world and see how it's REALLY played.


388 posted on 01/02/2006 9:18:22 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: nopardons; hedgetrimmer
Pity that the only refutation you can muster, is by FRAUD.

Hedgetrimmer believes that GATT, which established the WTO, was unconstitutional even though it was approved by a two-thirds vote in each house of congress. Of course, now the assumption is that the WTO, along with their cohorts at the UN, dictate how we must conduct all trade, effectively usurping congress and, therefore, all American citizens. The Canadian softwood debate notwithstanding.

Next thing you know, thugs from the OAS will be showing up at our front door demanding our vitamin supplements, chlorophyll tablets and St. John's Wort.

You can take my vitamins when you pry them from my cold dead fingers!!

389 posted on 01/02/2006 9:18:37 PM PST by Mase
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To: eeevil conservative
Make your case- don't throw out ridiculous questions that insinuate you KNOW something and then throw out pathetic things like--
Is that what you meant about illegal aliens? Are they making the Fords?
390 posted on 01/02/2006 9:20:17 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

THANK YOU!

LOL! I am well aware that the illegal immigration is effecting our economy. I am sick of the lies that they only do jobs no one else wants to do- that's a flat out LIE!

But in this story- I tend to think the REAL problem for Ford has been the UNIONS- not illegal immigrants....

am I wrong?


391 posted on 01/02/2006 9:21:26 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I asked you a question. How is THAT "fraud" or putting words into you mouth?

And it was you, who had claimed that I no longer had any representation in government.

You really DO need to read your own posts and at least try to remember what you have written. :-)

392 posted on 01/02/2006 9:22:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: hedgetrimmer

LOL! well- you have yet to tell me what the heck you are talking about! LOL!

WHAT DOES WELFARE AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS UAW Pres not having a secure job? I submit to you- this man has already stated he was at the same place for over 30 yrs!!!!! LOL! How many Americans have had THAT kind of JOB SECURITY? Not to mention- it is his UAW ACTIVITIES that have lead to the BULK of this man's problems...LOL!

My remark you just re-posted is VERY SILLY-- lol-- because it was following YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT!!! LOL! Thank you for making my case!

this is just too much fun.....


393 posted on 01/02/2006 9:25:54 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: Mase

I'm waiting for the next crop of culprits to be inveighed against...you know, the buildyourownburgers and the Masons and the Jooooooooooos. LOL


394 posted on 01/02/2006 9:26:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
And it was you, who had claimed that I no longer had any representation in government.

No, I said that traitor was a good word to describe the "free traders" who advocate open borders, corporatist fascism and a global welfare system brokered by the WTO.
395 posted on 01/02/2006 9:27:15 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: eeevil conservative

Gosh, you're lucky to have an LOL key. It must save you scads of time typing.


396 posted on 01/02/2006 9:29:53 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
post 283

Now you can help your neighbor by standing up for his rights. His right to a representative government, not an centrally planned economy run by the WTO and foreign interests.
397 posted on 01/02/2006 9:32:00 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: eeevil conservative
No, you are absolutely, 100% correct!

Prior to the end of WW II, almost NO businesses/companies/corporations gave their employees free health insurance. You got sick, YOU took care of it! After WW II, the unions forced some companies to include free health insurance to their employees and the cost and coverage has now escalated to gigantic proportions. So has the cost of being ill or injured.

Add to that, the salaries and pensions which the unions squeezed out of companies and early retirements, at full or almost full pay, including health care and that is what has REALLY brought Ford to the brink.

The great and glorious American steel industry was brought down, way back in the early '60s, by outrageous demands, a sitting president ( JFK ) who has less than no idea how to govern, let alone handle the strikes, and now, we have posters here, ranting about foreign steel.

398 posted on 01/02/2006 9:33:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: hedgetrimmer
what a BRILLIANT response.....

ROFLLLLLL!! (there is that better?)
399 posted on 01/02/2006 9:33:29 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: nopardons

wow- and I just got here today.... LOL!
(here meaning the whole economics thing....)


400 posted on 01/02/2006 9:35:22 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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