Posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam
Rush used to say the same thing. I remember how he insisted over and over again that the right of privacy did not exist.
Funny thing is that it will probably be the only thing that keeps him out of prison.
All the more reason to restrict their movements in the US. Who is better equipped to do that, the American people or the government.
I think we should be given the authority to refuse service to Muslims or anyone we don't trust. We should be allowed to put whatever conditions we want on our dealings with these people. Flight schools should be allowed to refuse to train them. Motels and hotels should be allowed to turn them away. Truck rental companies should be allowed to flip them the bird.
What do you mean? Faith that they will do what?
You're talking about a leftist liberal city. They don't like guns. You can bet any other city you're talking about is a leftist one in a blue state.
That's right but, in the meantime, what happened to the 2nd amendment? How long will it take before they get their gun rights back? Once you lose liberty, it will take a long time to get it back, if ever.
But close only counts in horseshoes.
If someone throws a horseshoe at me and misses, I'm putting on my helmet and brass jockey shorts.
Their goal, as they have repeatedly stated was to turn the US into a Caphilate.(spe?) They can't do it, but, they can cause a lot of damage on their way down. If listening to their calls would stop that, I'm for it.
We have the strongest economy in the world. If half of it were destroyed, we would still have the GDP of Sweden. But they couldn't even do that because there really aren't that many loose nukes.
How many loose nukes are there? You can answer this question? You know how many North Korea has? You know how many Iran has? We have a great economy now, let loose a couple of nukes and you won't be able say the same thing.
Pretty much the same thing happened to Japan. But today they are a major economic power.
Japan? WE rebuilt Japan and started them on the road to democracy and wealth. I can just see europe and the rest of the world throwing zillions of dollars at us to help get America back on her feet./sarc
I don't. We came within a gnat's eyelash of having a President Gore or a President Kerry. They elected Bill Clinton president -- twice! Clinton did more to appease the terrorists and empower evil regimes than anyone else.
But, it didn't happen. We're still standing. And history will show what an appeaser clinton was and how corrupt he was. History will look back on Bush and not understand why the world hated him so much. That he is possibly one the greatest presidents that we have had. His one deserving zero will be illegal immigration and our open borders. But other than that, he will be right up there along side Reagan and Lincoln. History will give Bush all the glory the world refuses to give him now. And, when that history is told, my children and grandchildren, and by then my great grandchildren will know that we were on the right side of history.
Let 'em listen to al queda.
All I can say is WOW!
there are actually people out there so consumed by fear of a few terrorist thugs that they are willing to give up, without question, essential liberties. Liberties that made and keep this country great, liberties without which this country would cease to be great.
Disheartening and disappointing indeed that we have become such cowards...........
I ask all of you - What good is temporary life if you do not have lasting freedom?
This was an important debate at the founding of our great Republic, and I though it had been settled. Apparently I was wrong.
I think most Americans agree that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan did more than anything to stop terror attacks in the US. Only in the last year have the Democrats tried to make an issue of the war, (they had to invent the "Bush Lied" mantra), and they lost that battle because the president responded to this bogus charge.
Maybe they just can't decide which thing will get them less bad press.
Yep, that may be true.
But one thing they don't do, and what few people are talking about, is returning rights to Americans so they themselves can defend against terrorists.
What have we given up in this war? What rights have we lost specifically because of the war?
Absolutely. But doing that is easy. People who aren't free don't have as much to lose. They hope the next tyrant will treat them better. That's why a lot of Soviet people welcomed the Nazis as liberators.
They hate us because we are not them.
The same ethic as the anthrax microbe. The idea is to make more anthrax.
Because we elect our politicans to do our work for us.
Why don't we start thinking in terms of trusting citizens to do the right thing instead of trusting the government?
In a utopian world that could happen, but not in reality. Our government people come from our pool of Americans.
It did rule on Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus in Ex parte Merryman, 17 F. Cas. 144 (1861) and Ex Parte Milligan, 71 U.S. 1 (1866), finding the suspension to be unconstitutional.
FDR's removal of Japanese from the west coast (supported by Congressional action and funding) was ruled constitutional in Toyosaburo Korematsu v. United States, 323 US 214 (1944), but SCOTUS deftly avoided the question of the constitutionality of forced internment in Ex parte Endo, 323 US 283 (1944).
What if they're American muslims?
IMO, this is a war against civilizations where there can only be one winner. Islam is a cult in my eyes. A death cult.
Who says we didn't declare war? That authorization for Bush looked like a war declaration to me.
Yes. And my guess is that the spawn of the most fearful parents are the worst offenders.
I remember a discussion once between two parents (not on FR) about how they can get their kids categorized as ADHD. I was amazed but I guess that gives the kid immunity from expulsion because of the Americans with Disabilities act. They are like, untouchable no matter what they do.
That we will do what needs to be done. We aren't living in a dictatorship, Americans will never stand for it.
What freedoms have we lost to date?
What good is life without them.
What good is freedom if you have no country and no life?
If it happens, that's the way they will do it if we have enough cowardly leaders to accommodate them. But not if we keep our freedoms and the right to say no to their "cultural shifts", and the right to criticize them without being charged with a hate crime, unlike the Europeans. And if we restrict the right of government to impose this new culture on us and to monitor us if we go against the political winds then we will be able to withstand them.
While we are at it, let's not put out free snacks to these rats in the form of welfare benefits and earned income tax credits.
I've already asked a couple of people this question and neither have answered it. What specific right or civil liberty have we lost in this war?
Your hysterics aside tortoise, and the fact that you find 3000 people killed by terrorists acceptable, we have lost no freedoms during this war. So your very premise is flawed. We lost more freedom from campaign finance reform than we did in the war on terror.
As long as you bring up legalities, Bush's actions are legal.
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