I wasn't aware that there was anything wrong with making critical comments. As far as indefensible, I continue to stand, unchallenged by the way, that the president has not done anything on illegal immigration. He has worked his arse off on SS reform, but nothing got done thanks to the dems. Irrespective of his efforts, I stand unchallenged on the fact that neither immigration nor SS reform has been accomplished. On tax reform, I am not as critical due to the tax cuts...but I think more should be done. Whether you like it or not, I am allowed to have and express that opinion.
I called you both on those comments, and asked you to defend them...
How so? I defend the comments as I always have... by pointing out that nothing is accomplished on immigration or SS reform and that this will allow attacks by dems at election time.
Principled said that I shouldn't wonder why people 'quit posting to me'.......and then disappeared as well.
He he, not so. I only had to go to work. You really become irrational - that's why I think people simply ignore you.
If you disagree with the President on issues, I have absolutely no problem with it, because I do as well.
I completely think this is a lie. You will not allow my dissent. You reject entirely my post that I think the president is ignoring immigration. You further reject me posting that the repubs are open to attack on immigration, tax and SS reform. I think you just want to hound anyone who criticizes irrespective of anything. As far as being a man, what does that have to do with anything.
What defense is necessary for the statement, "Bush has ignored immigration"? He obviously has.
I will continue to call Bush critics to account for their words, even if some of them...........like you two...........apparently can't handle it.
What? What can you say to me for posting that Bush has ignored immigration and for posting the repubs are open to attacks on immigration, SS and taxes? What is it you think I need to defend, eh? I think the problem is you are of the type that can't handle criticism of Bush. Hell I wasn't even criticizing him on taxes and SS - I even blamed dems!
I have no problem with the president, you dreamed that up in some irrational frenzy created when you attempt to slam anyone who criticizes him. Lighten up. Slow down. You're looking really foolish.
Do you agree or disagree that the president has ignored the immigration concerns of most everyone?
Do you agree or disagree that SS reform did not go anywhere and that the dems will attempt to use this in the elections? - even though it's their fault?
Take some time and think it through - I'm no enemy of Bush. Save your vitriol for them if you like.
This is patently untrue. You may, as I do, feel that he has not done ENOUGH, but to say he has done NOTHING is not factually accurate. And such claims should not go unchallenged.
You never addressed my question as to which side of your own split arguments you came down on. First you started with a 'cute' comment about the President, and then when challenged, you switched your argument to 'elections' and 'the Republicans.' You never gave me a straight answer.
He he, not so. I only had to go to work.
You made your silly comment about people no longer posting to me more than a work day ago, Principled. You are weaseling again. (And I have been more than rational. It is you who have engaged in emotional name-calling swill).
I completely think this is a lie. You will not allow my dissent.
I am not lying at all, and you know it. I have no problem with truthful dissent. It is your innaccurate hyperbole with which I disagree. I disagree with the administration on immigration. The fact that you are blind to what I have actually said based on your own defensive, emotional response doesn't negate what I've said or think. Clear up your head, and read my words without your emotions out of control. Go ahead. Go back and read what I've said, and how you've responded.
I think the problem is you are of the type that can't handle criticism of Bush
I have no problem with accurate criticism.........and I am not a 'type.' Repeating.........you never addressed the fact that you (in spite of your denials) implied in your first post that the President had character problems. If you had dealt with the issue from the first, this conversation would not have taken place.
Take some time and think it through - I'm no enemy of Bush.
And once again.........you are emotionally confused. I never said you were 'an enemy' of the President. Not even close. Calm down, and quit being so defensive, and your imagination won't get out of control like this.
I said it before, and I'll say it once again, since you've missed it. The President has not done ENOUGH about illegal immigration. On that we agree. But when you say he has ignored it, you are not being factually accurate.
And for a conservative, that is an essential element of rational discourse.
Oh..........and thanks for coming back. I enjoy discussion of issues and a good argument. They only take a downturn when people get all emotional and defensive, and don't bother to read what's actually been said.
Don't make assumptions about me out of ignorance any more, and we'll be fine.
This, SS, and taxes seem to be the things you guys base most of your objection on.
You are wrong that Bush has ignored immigration reform. He held a big press conference and outlined his proposal in January, 2004, two years ago. You may not like his proposal but he has made one and has spoken about it several times. He also recently took further action to beef up the border patrol, build more holding and return facilities, and impose stiff new rules about who can come and how long they can legally stay. You cannot with honesty say he has ignored immigration reform.
You complain he has not been successful with SS reform yet you give him no credit for attempting it when no one else even dared for many, many years. It is called the third rail of politics, or touch it and die. He is not through trying either but you not only give him no credit for trying, you blast him for failure without proper consideration of the gauntlet he must run through the suicidal Democrats, rinos, and weenie Republicans. You are being totally unreasonable.
You equally give him no credit for the outstanding job he did in getting meaningful tax cuts through a tough Congress. We all want true tax reform, or at least most of us, but don't denigrate what he has accomplished.
You claim innocence about Bush bashing but in light of the facts you are either Bush bashing or woefully ignorant.