[Racehorse]

The ones that did know about it even went so far as to say they don't care anyway becuase they are only talking to grandma about sunday dinner, or when to pick up sis at basketball practice.

I care.  Deeply.

That's the bind, isn't it?  I don't want the government listening in on calls I or my family might make overseas.  Not one single second of them.  I'm a free American living in what is supposed to be a free society.

But, we are at war with a dangerously cunning and ruthless enemy.

At some point national and personal security does trump personal privacy.

Yep, that's the bind, alright.

[zaggs]

Hmm what were some of the complaints after 9/11? Not enough data collection. Not enough sharing of relevant data. People who should not have been ignored were ignored. So now that we have a president who does all that the lefties have a problem.

[ASA Vet]

I don't want the government listening in on calls I or my family might make overseas.

You and your family making a lot of overseas calls to terrorists?

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[zook]

The way I see it, this issue cuts based on whether one believes we are really at war. Those who believe we are tend to support some temporary limits on personal privacy, be it monitoring international communications or having to have your backpack checked to ride the NYC subway.

But those who do not believe this is really a war, or feel terrorism is not really a serious threat, or who want Americans to forget 9/11, they've decided to use this issue to basically "rip America out of its war footing," so to speak, or to simply damage President Bush.

For those who believe we are at war, but who also have some concerns about privacy and freedom issues, please note that during most of its wars Americans have experienced some limits on their freedom, but these have always been temporary--the "slipery slope" argument just doesn't hold up.

[Sacajaweau]

It's really not the bind. National Security trumps the 4th amendment. The ACLU already lost their case. It is referenced in the documents on the FISA sight. There is also another statement that the President has his own powers as Commander in Chief separate from the FISA PROCESS.