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Cross to bear: Atheist organization bothered by roadside memorials files suit; ADF responds
Alliance Defense Fund ^ | Wednesday, December 28, 2005, | ADF Media Relations

Posted on 12/31/2005 6:50:17 PM PST by DogByte6RER

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The atheists and their kissing cousins at the ACLU continue to bastardize our legal system with these types of lawsuits.

How long will it be before some secular civil liberties troglodyte sues to remove the gravestones at military battlefields like Normandy, France and Ardennes, Belgium?

Most of these grave markers are crosses (you may remember the emotional scene in "Saving Private Ryan" which was filmed at the Normandy cemetery) and the memorial/cemetery sites are managed by the American Battle Monuments Commission, an agency of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government.

The Commission — guardian of America’s overseas commemorative cemeteries and memorials — honors the service, achievements and sacrifice of United States Armed Forces.

The Commission’s commemorative mission includes:

* Designing, constructing, operating and maintaining permanent American cemeteries in foreign countries.

* Establishing and maintaining U.S. military memorials, monuments and markers where American Armed Forces have served overseas since April 6, 1917, and within the U.S. when directed by public law.

* Controlling the design and construction of permanent U.S. military monuments and markers by other U.S. citizens and organizations, both public and private, and encouraging their maintenance.

From the American Battlefield Monuments Commission website (http://www.abmc.gov) here is a listing of these cemeteries:

Aisne-Marne, France

Ardennes, Belgium

Brittany, France

Brookwood, England

Cambridge, England

Corozal, Panama

Epinal, France

Flanders Field, Belgium

Florence, Italy

Henri-Chapelle, Belgium

Lorraine, France

Luxembourg, Luxembourg

Manila, Philippines

Meuse-Argonne, France

Mexico City, Mexico

Netherlands, Netherlands

Normandy, France

North Africa, Tunisia

Oise-Aisne, France

Rhone, France

Sicily-Rome, Italy

Somme, France

St. Mihiel, France

Suresnes, France

Will these crass civil libertarians also demand that we dig up any of the dead who may have been buried with a crucifix because the dead are buried in public cemeteries?

How far will these outrageous secular groups take this issue?

Apparently when it comes to the ACLU and busybody hypersensitive atheists, even America's dead who sacrificed all for our country are not safe from their outrageousness.

1 posted on 12/31/2005 6:50:19 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER
Atheist organization bothered by roadside memorials...

Intolerant bigots.

2 posted on 12/31/2005 6:53:56 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Enough is enough. People are truly getting sick of these ACLU terrorist thugs bullying the rest of us with their commie ideals and religion. The tide is starting to turn.


3 posted on 12/31/2005 6:55:03 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: DogByte6RER

Maybe they would find it more acceptable if Steel Crosses were used only to memorialize Christian troopers who died. Steel Stars of David could be used for Jewish ones, Steel Question marks for Agnostics, and Dull Rusty Steel Butcher Knives for Muslims.


4 posted on 12/31/2005 6:58:50 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: DogByte6RER

I'm offended by atheists using ZEROES on public property. Can I sue?


5 posted on 12/31/2005 7:00:52 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Atheists are fundamentally dishonest. The are not agnostic. Atheists feel sure that there is no God. They have no evidence to support this belief, but they continue along, operating in the faith that there is no God.

That is their right.

But, in America, all the Christians know that they cannot shut down the Jewish Temples. And all the Jews know that they cannot shut down the mosques. And all the Muslims ... well, you get the idea.

But the Atheists are different. It is their goal to stomp down on everyone who believes differently than they do. I say: if Atheists want to declare their non-belief a type of Religion, then I think they deserve legal protection. But, if they say they have no religion, then I think activists who try to punish people who do have a religion should have no legal standing, and should be stomped out as un-American. And I think the government should participate in the persecution of this un-American activity. Those who believe have protection under the First Amendment. To persecute believers is un-American.

I mean it. I'm tired of this crap.

6 posted on 12/31/2005 7:00:58 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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It would be interesting for the families of the fallen to file a counter-suit declaring taking the crosses away was sponsoring a state religion of atheism.


7 posted on 12/31/2005 7:04:35 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

If they are atheists how could they be bothered? To them they have no more meaning than the tread from a semi laying on a guard rail.


8 posted on 12/31/2005 7:05:56 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: DogByte6RER

I am offended by atheism. The only way I can see to appease people like me is to prohibit any public displays which omit references to our Creator. There is no other way to resolve this dispute.


9 posted on 12/31/2005 7:06:34 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: cookcounty

Well I'm not crazy about these roadside "memorials". How many are we supposed to allow? An endless number? Look, I don't drive in your cemetary, don't put your headstones on my highway! YOU'RE BUMMING ME OUT! And they say it's for "safety". It's not for safety. You're driving along and suddenly "hey, what's that? A teddy bear? is that a wreath?.....AHHHHH..CRASH!

Tributes to loved ones belong in cemetaries.


10 posted on 12/31/2005 7:13:27 PM PST by Burr5
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To: Burr5

Of course I hate the ACLU too. But stop decorating the highways.


11 posted on 12/31/2005 7:15:21 PM PST by Burr5
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To: DogByte6RER

This is absolute bulls**t! Why don't they mind their own damned business? Roadside memorials don't hurt anyone. It's not like athiests are being forced to observe them at gunpoint. If they find religious symbols that offensive, they can always use another street.


12 posted on 12/31/2005 7:19:00 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: AmericaUnited

"Enough is enough. People are truly getting sick of these ACLU terrorist thugs bullying the rest of us with their commie ideals and religion. The tide is starting to turn."

There is only ONE WAY to thwart a bully...


13 posted on 12/31/2005 7:19:34 PM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: KarinG1
Apparently all 50 state constitutions are unconstitutional under the federal constitution:

all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions: >p> Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences .

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance establish this Constitution

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors .

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government ..

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .. establish this Constitution ..

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors .

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common ..

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences .

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution .

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other ...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution .

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution .

14 posted on 12/31/2005 7:21:14 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: DogByte6RER

"It's morally disgraceful for a small group of activists to try to stop the families of state troopers who were killed in the line of duty from honoring their lost loved ones,"


15 posted on 12/31/2005 7:22:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: DogByte6RER

Good grief. Why do inanimate objects offend these people?

Or is it the implied spirituality they fear most or because they suffer from lack of an ability to comprehend and accept that we are all spiritual creatures by nature?


16 posted on 12/31/2005 7:24:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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"Atheist organization bothered by roadside memorials...
Intolerant bigots."

This LAND is OUR land. The government owns nothing - the American citizens' own America and its roadsides. Politicians are ruining this good country. Our "elected" representatives should speak out and tell these perverted brats to shut up! Unfortunatey, we've got PC eunuchs in Congress.

Atheist Org and the ACLU are always petty and petulant!
17 posted on 12/31/2005 7:31:04 PM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

One does hope these jerks will be noted in death with a wooden stake through the heart.


18 posted on 12/31/2005 7:35:41 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: DogByte6RER
I can't imagine being so consumed by hate. Their irrational hatred for all things Christian only attests to the truthfulness of the Bible's claims. They are rebels who will one day have to stand before that Judge and rather than admit that they try to stamp out every acknowledgment (not matter how minute) of His very existence. As if that alone will save them.
19 posted on 12/31/2005 7:37:00 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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I agree. But I think we have to start with the courts. They are the ones perverting the law, banning anything with God in it, making up laws that they want. Keep voting in presidents who will NOT appoint liberal judges.
20 posted on 12/31/2005 7:40:00 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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