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To: Doc Savage
Prove that "God" exists in anything other than your imagination.

God has no place in science class. If you don't like the fact that monotheism is not pushed in public schools, put your kids in a Christian school.

20 posted on 12/31/2005 1:22:09 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Clemenza
"Prove that "God" exists in anything other than your imagination."...

Uh, OK. I have... via history, archeology, ancient texts, Old and New Testaments, geology, geography, and last but not least: science. (see: technical monographs, below) I am truly convinced.

That "God" exists is what ID is all about... it is the logical conclusion from demonstrated science that many people reach regardless of their discipline.

There is MUCH particular science that supports the creation model 100% over the outrageous evo model- and these technical monographs continue to build in every scientific discipline.

To say that God has no place in science class is to spurn the millions of scientists who came before and devoted their whole practice BY FAITH to God.

Did not Jesus himself 'tease' us with miracles of HEALING the sick, blind, deaf and diseased? Showing Himself G-d while showing us the way (read:science)... DUH? HELLO?

Be healed.

It's appropriate the ID'ers got their butts kicked this ONCE; they can come back later better prepared with proven science.


60 posted on 12/31/2005 1:54:32 PM PST by foldspace (Tom Delay Country)
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To: Clemenza
Prove that "God" exists in anything other than your imagination.

I'll go you one better: Prove that anything whatsoever exists in anything other than your imagination.

"[T]here may be some other faculty [of my mind] not yet fully known to me, which produces these ideas without any assistance from external things; this is, after all, just how I have always thought ideas are produced in me when I am dreaming... it is not reliable judgement but merely some blind impulse that has made me believe up till now that there exist things distinct from myself which transmit to me ideas or images of themselves through the sense organs or in some other way...

"[E]very sensory experience I have ever thought I was having while awake I can also think of myself as sometimes having while asleep; and since I do not believe that what I seem to perceive in sleep comes from things located outside me, I did not see why I should be any more inclined to believe this of what I think I perceive while awake. (Descartes, Meditations, 3 [7:39-40], 6 [7:77])

To sum up: you can't "prove" that anything exists except yourself.

With all due respect, Clemenza -- are you bad enough to take your materialist skepticism all the way as René Descartes did? Are you ready to doubt everything that cannot be "proven" to exist? Hee hee. Go ahead. I dare you. But if you do, "Be careful. You may not like what you find" ("Dr. Zaius", Planet of the Apes [Rod Serling, 1968]).

Je pense, donc je suis. It's not just a good idea -- it's the law.

103 posted on 12/31/2005 2:48:50 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Clemenza

Interestingly enough, the schools don't seem to have the same antagonism toward other religions, even the so-called religion of peace. Just Christianity.

God reveals Himself in creation, fulfilled prophecy in scripture, the life and resurrection of his Son, and changed lives of believers. Early apostles and believers died for what they knew to be true, including James, Jesus' brother, James.


111 posted on 12/31/2005 3:10:04 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Clemenza; streetpreacher; Doc Savage

People who don't want God mentioned in public school are also free to send their kids to private schools or homeschool. Why is it that only the believers are told to take it or leave it like they are some kind of second class citizens? While the US has no offical religion, Christianity in it's various forms is practised virtually everywhere in this country. Since the majority of the citizenship is Christian there should be no problem if the schools reflect that in the public school system. If atheists don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere and stop forcing THEIR belief system on others. Lack of belief in God or a god is not the neutral position that many would have us believe.


152 posted on 12/31/2005 7:27:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Clemenza

Either does naturalism the new religious orthodoxy that does not have anything to do with real science. Its just religious philosophy posing as science.


160 posted on 12/31/2005 10:40:27 PM PST by blackfarm (blackfamily5)
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