[doc30]

Has Canadian-American relations reached a new low? Note - plans are from 1930! However, replace 'Briton' with 'China' or 'Russia' and the plan has some modern merits. Instead of Canada allowing a foreign invasion through a foreign alliance. Canada, with it;s lack of military and security, may be an unwilling accomplice to potential adversaries in the future. This should serve as a warning on what might (big might) be in store for Canada if the security of the U.S. were severely threatened from the north. Protection of Canada would not be a tidy, political affair. It would really be potection of the U.S.

[Hank Rearden]

Canadians.

Whaddaya gonna do?

[Heartofsong83]

Why take Halifax? Toronto and Montreal are where 90% of the problems lie...

[Poser]

"However, replace 'Briton' with 'China' or 'Russia' and the plan has some modern merits."

Personally, I'd replace Briton with Muslims.

[B-Chan]

This is old news. Former U.S. Army Deputy Undersecretary Thaddeus Holt wrote an extensive article on War Plan Red in the Autumn 1988 issue of Military History Quarerly (page 49-55). The article includes maps, which I reproduce here for your perusal.

Anticipated British invasion of northeastern United States

Planned U.S. invasion of Canada

Planned U.S. advance to stop line Saint Lawrence River

Anticipated Canadian counterattack/defense

[RightFighter]

A better headline would be this:

Secretive Plans Exist For Canada Invasion: Bush Silent on Details

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

One of the main reasons for Confederation in 1867 was for defense against the United States. Britain did a lot of arm twisting to bring this about; because it wanted the colonies to share the load of defense.

This is really ironic, when you consider how little support the Canadian military gets from the federal government today. Actually, the dismal state of our military is doubly ironic when you consider how willing the federal Liberals are to pander to the anti-American crowd. You'd think that they'd want the country to be bristling with weapons -- with every able bodied man and woman required to do national service (like in Israel).

Make that triply ironic -- if Canada, and other nominally western nations pulled their weight in defense, the U.S. would not need as large a military.

(BTW -- judging from what I read on FR, and what I know about Canadians, I don't think that the average Canadian is any more anti-American than the average resident of Massachusetts; and many of us are as supportive as the average Texan.)

[COEXERJ145]

War Plan Red was just one of many Joint Army-Navy war plans that the U.S. prepared and practiced from the late 1890's until just after World War II. We had contingency plans for every possibility.

Just a sample.

War Plan Orange was for war with the Japanese Empire.

War Plan Red/Orange was for a war with the Japanese-British Alliance.

War Plan Gold was for war with France

War Plan Silver was for war with Italy.

War Plan Green was for war with Mexico or Mexican Domestic Intervention.

War Plan Yellow or War Plan Violet was for war with China or China Domestic Intervention.

War Plan Gray was for war in the Caribbean.

War Plan Indigo was for Iceland Intervention.

War Plan Emerald was for Ireland Intervention in conjunction with War Plan Red.

War Plan Gray was for Azores Intervention.

War Plan Tan was for Cuba Intervention.

War Plan Black was for War with Germany. (Not seriously practiced after 1918.)

And my personal favorite because it tends to freak people out was War Plan White which was known as the "U.S. Domestic Contingency".

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Should the unthinkable happen and we ever have to invade our recalcitrant neighbor to the north, I have it on good authority that our local Boy Scout Troop is ready and willing to take the war to the canadians.

It might take a few days, but they are eager to see if they can win their Invasion and Land Warfare badges before the next jamboree.

"Support your local Boy Scouts - They're the only thing standing between us and Quebec."

[Cheburashka]

http://www.avalanchepress.com/gamePlanRed.php

[mirkwood]

Our Clever Canuck Plan
Part Three: Invasion!
Instruct all troops to stock up on field rations of Shreddies (only the good, good, whole wheat ones).
Open armouries at all bases and distribute weapons to soldiers.
Provide the Canadian civilian population with weaponry and encourage them to "point the small bit at anyone without a maple leaf badge". NOTE: Some followers have suggested that the use of guns is un-Canadian. We believe the evil is justified in this case. Read more about our weapons policy in The Gun Thing .
Canuck troops infiltrate the US-Canada border.

After meeting feeble resistance from the already-weakened-by our-clever-campaign-Americans, Canadian troops seize control of all US cities.
South America falls to the power-hungry Canadian advance.
Submarines and cool Bluenose-like ships (nuclear powered both!) are employed in the conquest of Europe.
Conquest of Europe lasts: Max. 3 days -- Min. 2 hours.
Peace is made with European powers...Canada sets up puppet governments in the once-independent countries.
Canada renames Russia "Claire and Jen Territory". Early polls show that Russians prefer the new name.
Canadian troops seize Asian capitols. Hong Kong movie directors get the entire thing on film. Chow Yun Fat defects to Canada and becomes our Minister of Propaganda in the Pacific Rim.
The Pope capitulates to Canadian demands and agrees to force Roman Catholic clergy to make loyalty oaths towards Canada.
Pope-mobile seized and re-tooled for use by Generals Claire and Jen.
Australia and Canada reach a win-win agreement. Canada will completely rule Australia, but due to friendly relations from our Commonwealth days, will take pity on the Aussies and kill Paul Hogan.
Canadian troops encircle the globe.
Peacekeepers are kept busy putting down minor rebellions.

All minor rebellions cease when it is realized that Canadianism is the Right and True Path.
Irish rock band U2 is allowed to record a single in honour of the Canadian conquest: "Sunday Happy Sunday (in the name of Claire and Jen) Remix Version 12".
Record charts (controlled by the Office Of The Generals) show single at no. 1.
Committee formed to design a new world flag.
Committee decides the Canadian flag (in its Glorious Perfection) is good enough for the entire world.

Canadian troops distribute Shreddies rations to starving American populations!

[Phsstpok]

The old media should be up in arms. These plans were developed and endorsed under saint FDR that the Canadians are trashing his legacy of defending all that is right and good!

As to the question "Has Canadian-American relations reached a new low?" , first of all, it should be "have," not has.

Second, Canada isn't a country. It's a polyglot of those who didn't have the courage to throw off the yolk of old Europe when we did, or those (mostly in the west) who were too far away for it to be an issue. The so called nation of Canada didn't act to free itself until old Europe's control fell away of its own accord because it was too weak after WE had beaten it down to no longer be a threat in at least two wars. Then they "rose up" and threw off the yolk of their masters... in the 1960s. Oh, goody.

Americans trace many of their ideas and ideals to European roots (but by no mean exclusively), but have rejected the remainder of that effete and failed culture. Ben Franklin is quoted as saying "“We’ve spawned a new race here... Rougher, simpler, more violent, more enterprising, less refined. We’re a new nationality." We are proud of that distinction for it rejects the European grotesque of the day which still holds true that they are somehow "civilized" and all others are "barbarians." Many of those who "proudly" call themselves "Canadians" are euroweenies of the first order and should promptly return to their homes in Europe, relinquishing the lands that they stole from their betters, and leave the continent to those fit to inhabit it.

(oh, am I going to get flamed for that hyperbole!)

To those justifiably proud Canadians who share equal contempt for the Ottawa liberals I sincerely apologize if this has in any way offended you. That was explicitly NOT my intent. You are who you are, and the central government has both little to do with that and even more contempt for you than they do us neighbors to the south.

By the way, to Canadians who might be offended by this post, I'm a big fan of Oliver Wiswell, so read that before you comment...

[Peelod]

http://www.bivouacbooks.com/bbv2i3s6.htm

The Irish Invasion of Canada
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There is a Fenian flag in the Bflo & Erie County Historical Society.
Its fragile condition precludes display. A B&W picture is on display at the National Museum of Ireland.

[dljordan]

Kill Kenny? Kill Kenny? Why you ignorant Canukistani's! Do you realize how many bored, heavily armed shooters there are down here in Colorado? Thousands! Besides, you'd get mugged by the illegals long before you reached South Park. Kill Kenny indeed!

[right-wingin_It]

I'm not for an outright invasion Canada because that would mean having to assimilate all those loonies. Best to just do what we do and ignore them. If they wan't to play with us then they'll just have to shape up.

[SauronOfMordor]

The military likes writing contingency plans. It gives officers something to do to occupy their time between real work

[M Kehoe]

Looks like somebody broke into your office. LOL!

Happy New Year!

5.56mm

[hubbubhubbub]

"Of course you know," Groucho famously intoned, "this means war."


I love that movie!

[concrete is my business]

As I posted before this is a good article.

Except it is not news.

It is the Globe and Mail and the Washington Post going to bat for Liberals during the most important Canadian election in years.

It will be interesting to see if the Liberal press in Canada can hold it together for the left wingers this time around.

The anti-American left has power and control in Canada and they play with a very heavy hand.

Never mind that it is illogical to disarm your own citizens when there are imminent threats from the USA, this fear mongering pays off for the left wingers all the time.

Conservatives in Canada need to watch their backs this next month.

Freepers Unite.

Free Canada!

Call the Globes and the Posts bluff on another obvious attempt to manipulate the voters in Canada.

We should be prepared as there will be endless amounts of Liberal propaganda in the Canadian "news" this month.

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The chief proponent of the invasion theorists is Floyd Rudmin, a U.S.-born, former Queen's University social psychology professor who has since decamped to the University of Tromso in Norway.

[Liberal Classic]

Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!