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Partial Ingredients For DNA And Protein Found Around Star
NASA via ScienceDaily.com ^ | 2005-12-30 | NA

Posted on 12/31/2005 1:32:58 AM PST by neverdem

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To: narby
Although DI didn't get involved in Dover because it was such a bad case,...

Actually, they were initially involved up to their eyeballs, but decided to back out, apparently over a dispute regarding their "fellows," who were to be expert defense witnesses, having their own (meaning DI's) attorneys present during depositions, instead of just relying on the TMLC attorneys, who represented the Dover School board. When TMLC insisted they alone represent the deponents, DI backed out and took a couple or more of their experts with them.

Additionally, DI filed an amicus brief with the court, even after withdrawing its witnesses, so it is fair to say they were heavily involved, but backed out partially.

All of which just goes to show that DI is exactly like the wacko Eco-nazi organizations, including looking for opportunities to get involved in litigation.

101 posted on 12/31/2005 11:20:01 AM PST by longshadow
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To: doc30; grey_whiskers
What is amazing is how much real scientific talent is found on these threads.
102 posted on 12/31/2005 11:22:00 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: doc30
I've also found the industrial/business world much more rewarding. Amazing how much knowledge is there.

Amazing how much work people will do for money, and not just intellectual preening or curiosity. :-)

Happy New Year.

...and all the best to you, too!

103 posted on 12/31/2005 11:30:48 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Coyoteman
What is amazing is how much real scientific talent is found on these threads.

And how little appreciated it is by a certain highly vocal group.

104 posted on 12/31/2005 11:33:06 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
What is amazing is how much real scientific talent is found on these threads.

And how little appreciated it is by a certain highly vocal group.


Couldn't agree more.
105 posted on 12/31/2005 11:39:27 AM PST by clyde asbury (Atomic Amish)
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To: narby
Actually, a car is much more complex than DNA. Study the methods used in computer image rendering and you'll discover that to define the precise curves of every component of a car would require a nearly infinite amount of information.

How many times do we see that fallacious argument? Life is more complicated that a watch/car/computer/airplane, and we don't question that a watch/car/computer/airplane was designed, so life must have been designed.

Watches/cars/computers/airplanes don't reproduce (imperfect) copies of themselves, though!! If they did, one might legitimately call into question whether their original origin was that of design...

106 posted on 12/31/2005 11:44:32 AM PST by Quark2005 (Divination is NOT science.)
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To: Quark2005
original origin

(redundancy error noted)

107 posted on 12/31/2005 11:46:41 AM PST by Quark2005 (Divination is NOT science.)
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To: PatrickHenry
And how little appreciated it is by a certain highly vocal group.

Some here are merely "self important", so they can be ignored. [/sarc]

108 posted on 12/31/2005 12:04:53 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: neverdem

DOESN'T THIS STAR KNOW THAT ITS GAS CLOUD IS VIOLATING THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!!


109 posted on 12/31/2005 12:32:35 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: doc30
Then why did the article state they were precursors to DNA, and yet you seem to be stating that this is not evidence of "biologically active protein."

The ingredients - gaseous precursors to DNA and protein - were detected in the star's terrestrial planet zone, a region where rocky planets such as Earth are thought to be born. The findings represent the first time that these gases, called acetylene and hydrogen cyanide, have been found in a terrestrial planet zone outside of our own.

110 posted on 12/31/2005 12:34:05 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Quark2005

as someone who believes in creation/ID I have never been a big fan of the whole watch analogy. I, too, do not think it is very relevant. On the other hand, the evolutionist's comparison of evolution with the law of gravity is just as weak. they have virtually nothing to do with one another.

Both example are nothing more than illustrations which prove absolutely nothing.


111 posted on 12/31/2005 12:41:24 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: narby
to define the precise curves of every component of a car would require a nearly infinite amount of information

SHUT UP! What if one of the robots in Detroit milling axles or cutting and shaping sheet metal has an Internet connection, reads this, and realizes that what it's doing is impossible? If word gets out to the other robots you could bring the entire automotive industry to a screeching halt!

112 posted on 12/31/2005 12:55:12 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: connectthedots
On the other hand, the evolutionist's comparison of evolution with the law of gravity is just as weak. they have virtually nothing to do with one another.

We usually compare evolution to the THEORY of gravity, not the LAW of gravity, in order to explain why the THEORY of evolution is "only" a theory.

In case you missed it, a scientific theory explains the mechanisms of how something works. I.E. gravity is real, as is evolution. But the THEORY of gravity and evolution are different things. The theory of gravity, despite the fact that we can observe it everywhere is actually not well understood. I believe one of the current theories of gravity relates to warping of space.

The theory of evolution is quite a bit more settled science, in that we understand "survival of the fittest", and DNA mutations, etc.

The bottom line is that evolution is both a fact (because it happens), and a scientific theory. Just like gravity.

113 posted on 12/31/2005 12:59:14 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: connectthedots

DNA is a chemical, essentially a polymer of four deoxyribonucleic acids. Big molecules have smaller ones as precursors. It doesn't matter if they are from living systems or not. Chemicals are chemicals and they exhibit the same properties regardless of origin.


114 posted on 12/31/2005 1:00:30 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Stultis
Milling axles is one thing. But compound curves are quite another. Computer software can do it with polynomials, but it's not an exact solution. Software could also use 3D graphical type rendering with triangles, but to get the precision required to render perfectly smooth, shiny, compound curved surfaces would take massive quantities of data.

Drawing something with software on a computer screen, or movie frame doesn't take much resolution. But the information contained in a real, full sized compound curve of a car fender with polished surface would be astronomical.

115 posted on 12/31/2005 1:06:18 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

Uh, but the robots actually DO it. And they aren't programmed with "astronomical" amounts of information.


116 posted on 12/31/2005 1:08:40 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis
Uh, but the robots actually DO it.

Yup. And the surface they leave is rough, requiring buffing and polishing at least.

The original point was the amount of information in a car. A real car. Which means you must numerically describe the shiny surface of the metal. The multiple layers of the paint. And result in something measurably identical to a real car.

THAT is numerically impossible.

The reason I'm making that comparison is I'm studying how to do software 3D rendering now, and I'm recognizing the serious limitations involved.

117 posted on 12/31/2005 1:14:23 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby
We usually compare evolution to the THEORY of gravity, not the LAW of gravity, in order to explain why the THEORY of evolution is "only" a theory.

You seem to be saying that the Thoery of 'evolution is pretty much guess work.

118 posted on 12/31/2005 1:31:13 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: narby

Numerically impossible placemarker. ;^)


119 posted on 12/31/2005 1:42:42 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: narby

And imagine the level of detail required to make the no-line bifocal type lenses people wear. THat's where precision curvature and optics come together.


120 posted on 12/31/2005 2:03:57 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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