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Germans to put Muslims through loyalty test-(whoa...)
telegraph ^ | 12.31.05 | By Kate Connolly in Berlin

Posted on 12/30/2005 5:53:22 PM PST by Flavius

Germans to put Muslims through loyalty test By Kate Connolly in Berlin (Filed: 31/12/2005)

Muslims intent on becoming German citizens will have to undergo a rigorous cultural test to gauge their views on subjects ranging from bigamy to homosexuality.

Believed to be the first test of its kind in Europe, the southern state of Baden-Württemberg has created the two-hour oral exam to test the loyalty of Muslims towards Germany.

It is to be taken on top of the standard test for foreigners wishing to become German citizens, which includes language proficiency skills and general knowledge.

It also requires applicants to prove that they can provide for themselves and their families.

Those applying must also have resided in Germany for the previous eight years and have no criminal record.

Germany's 15 other states will monitor the progress of the policy when the tests begin this week before deciding whether they wish to adopt similar legislation.

The 30 questions, which have been set by a special commission, range from sexual equality to school sports and are meant to trigger a more detailed discussion between the applicants and officials.

Until now, all applicants have simply had to tick a Yes or No box to answer whether they felt loyalty to Germany.

But now they will be quizzed on their attitudes to homosexuality and western clothing for young women, and whether husbands should be allowed to beat their wives.

Other questions covering topics such as bigamy and whether parents should allow their children to participate in school sports have been called "trick questions", meant to catch people off guard.

The state interior ministry said the test would be used to filter out Muslims who were unsuited for life in Germany. Those who answered "correctly" but later acted against expected behaviour, such as wife-beating, could have their citizenship removed.

Critics say that the test is biased and discriminatory and that if Muslims are obliged to take it, so should all applicants for citizenship.

Brigitte Lösch, a leading member of the Green party in the Baden-Wurttemberg parliament, called for the oral exam to be dropped, arguing that it inferred from the outset that all Muslims were "violent per se" and unable to abide by German law.

"This list of questions is only to be used for applicants from Islamic countries. It is an unbelievable form of discrimination," she said. "If Germans were asked some of the questions, they would find it difficult to answer them."

The European Assembly of Turkish Academics rejected the questionnaire as "strongly discriminatory and racist" against Germany's three million-strong Muslim population, most of whom are Turkish.

Kerim Arpad, an assembly spokesman, said: "The test is shaped by stereotypes and damages integration."

But Dieter Biller, of the foreign ministry in Stuttgart, the state capital, said the test would help bureaucrats to form opinions as to whether citizenship applicants were suitable or not.

"It covers everything from sexual equality, violence, school sports and religious freedom," he said. "How the applicants stand on the question of the attacks of September 11 will also be a key question."

Holland announced yesterday that it was introducing ceremonies for new immigrants as part of efforts to reduce racial tensions and to integrate immigrant communities.

The government is worried that immigrants who do not move outside their ethnic or religious groups hamper integration and stoke fears of militancy. New Dutch citizens will also have to take an "oath of allegiance".


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germanmuslims; muslims
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just damn
1 posted on 12/30/2005 5:53:23 PM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Wont do any good, the Koran instructs its adherents to lie when neccessary..


2 posted on 12/30/2005 5:54:21 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: Flavius
Take note, Uncle Sam.

....and don't apply the test only to Muslims.

3 posted on 12/30/2005 5:55:30 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: cardinal4
Unless they will use lie detectors or MRI, itsa joke!
Like suiciders will tell the truth: "Ja, I vant to blov you uppppp MF!
4 posted on 12/30/2005 5:56:49 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: Flavius
"But now they will be quizzed on their attitudes to homosexuality"



Coming soon to your Western nation... citizenship and/or societal privileges based on your acceptance of deviance.
5 posted on 12/30/2005 5:57:55 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: cardinal4
cardinal4 wrote:

Wont do any good, the Koran instructs its adherents to lie when neccessary..

Let them lie. - On the record.. And get deported later.

"-- The state interior ministry said the test would be used to filter out Muslims who were unsuited for life in Germany.
Those who answered "correctly" but later acted against expected behavior, such as wife-beating, could have their citizenship removed.

6 posted on 12/30/2005 6:01:37 PM PST by don asmussen
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To: Flavius

They are going to wrap them in chains, and throw them into the Rhine.

Those who surface will be deemed not to be loyal, and immediately deported.

Those who do not, will be allowed to stay.


7 posted on 12/30/2005 6:04:00 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Flavius
Seems if a country is willing to consider you for citizenship they can ask you and question they darn well please. If you don't like the question ( and the revocation of citizenship if you break the laws they deem would warrant kicking your watusi out), then I guess your going to have to country shop somewhere else.
8 posted on 12/30/2005 6:06:28 PM PST by mother22wife21 ( (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120) - For more info, search FR keyword: folding))
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To: Flavius

Good idea. We should add it to our policies and procedures.


9 posted on 12/30/2005 6:06:30 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Worked for witches, so I heard.


10 posted on 12/30/2005 6:08:03 PM PST by opocno (France, the other dead meat)
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To: cardinal4

That's what I was thinking. But perhaps Europe is starting to wise up.


11 posted on 12/30/2005 6:09:11 PM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Flavius
Reminiscent of the Loyalty Oath Germans were required to swear for Adolph. It has been said that Germans are either at your feet or at your throat. Looks like they may be moving up!
12 posted on 12/30/2005 6:10:45 PM PST by TCats
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To: Flavius

The test should also include eating a variety of meats.


13 posted on 12/30/2005 6:11:42 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Mr. Mojo wrote:

Take note, Uncle Sam.

....and don't apply the test only to Muslims.

You got it Mojo.. We are long overdue to require an oath of citizenship from everyone, as a perquisite for voting.

If our new citizens can be required to swear away their allegiances to a foreign powers ideologies, why not require it of those born here?

After all, a large percentage of us already have sworn to protect & defend..

14 posted on 12/30/2005 6:11:49 PM PST by don asmussen
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To: opocno

15 posted on 12/30/2005 6:13:04 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Flavius
Europe is going to wise up before the multiculti neo-communist classless politically corrected society of the U.S. Down with elitism, right?!


16 posted on 12/30/2005 6:13:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: NewHampshireDuo
The test should also include eating a variety of meats.

Muzzies aren't the only folks who have meat based religious dietary restrictions ... German history being what it is, the "meat test" is probably a bad idea.

17 posted on 12/30/2005 6:16:33 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Good point. Suggestion withdrawn.


18 posted on 12/30/2005 6:20:39 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Flavius
We could lose half of the Senate and three quarters of the House in the first sweep.

I'm with the Germans on this one, it will also solve our Term Limit problem.

hehehe
19 posted on 12/30/2005 6:20:40 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Flavius

It's easy to tell someone what they want to hear.


20 posted on 12/30/2005 6:21:18 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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