[SmithL]

joy unbounded

[icwhatudo]

Enjoy your higher bills.

[domenad]

In the words of one of the two punks from the movie Roxanne:

"Thank you, asswipe."

[marron]

Edison should invest in renewable energy sources on tribal land, which would benefit the people "who have been exploited all of these years by the greater metropolitan centers of the West,"

Like a casino. Lets eliminate all the real productive jobs, and replace them with make believe jobs.

No need to thank me. Its what I do. I'm an environmentalist.

[BipolarBob]

This is just a ploy. They will install scrubbers. It just makes economic sense. The costs of the scrubbers will be pased on to the consumers . . . and life goes on.

[COBOL2Java]

The groups had argued the 1,580-megawatt plant, about 100 miles south of Las Vegas...

Isn't that Dusty Harry's neck of the woods? Guess he didn't want to be bothered with "constituents".

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

Let me guess. The unmarked bills for Harry Reid's family didn't arrive in time.

[Boundless]

> ... the company said its 13 million customers would not
> be immediately affected because of other power sources.

And because it's WINTER.

If you live in CA, plan to get off-grid, or get out
entirely, before summer.

[marron]

Seriously, the tribe itself should see if it can buy or become partners in the power plant, perhaps get the land it sits on declared as tribal land. And then work to get a variance on the pollution controls until they can put together the backing needed to do the work.

This is political, and needs a political solution. Republicans should look for an opportunity to salvage this situation. It could be a two-fer for them, they get to outmaneuver the enviros, and penetrate a Dem constituency, at the same time. And keep a tribe from falling back into government-caused-dependency.

[Fiddlstix]

Good Grief!

[an amused spectator]

LOL! The plant is less than 300 miles from the largest clean-burning coal deposit in the world (Clinton's Escalante Staircase Nantional Monument).

[chimera]

The real losers will be the consumers who won't have enough electricity this summer. The gummint will take care of the displaced Navajo workers. There's plenty of taxpayer-funded welfare money to hand out, although exchanging productive, honest work for a gummint check somehow seems like a loser to me.

The wackos got a bunch of things shutdown in CA (Rancho Seco, SONGS-1) and elsewhere (Trojan), and now they're going after facilities in NV. Arizona is next.

So another 1600 MW of capacity is lost. I hope the people in CA remember this incident, and where the blame lies, when they're looking at blackouts sometime in the future. But, being mostly idiots, they probably won't, and will blame the "evil corporations", the utilities, for "price fixing".

[pepperdog]

Oh those quirky environmentalist, aren't they a fun group! Killing off jobs and people. They should be made to support everyone who loses their income due to environmental activism.

[oyez]

Why do I suspect that those responsible for the shut down live nowhere near Mohave Generating Station?

[Lester Moore]

Edison should invest in renewable energy sources on tribal land, which would benefit the people "who have been exploited all of these years by the greater metropolitan centers of the West," said Roger Clark, director of the Grand Canyon Trust's air and energy program.

Except, dear Roger, Edison & Peabody are not welfare, make-work corp.'s

There ain't no money in your "invest in renewable energy sources on tribal land" plan.

[savedbygrace]

Note that the AP doesn't actually name the watermelons who filed the suit. To the AP, they're just cute fluffy forest creatures who travel around making people happy every place they go.

[nightdriver]

"rather than violate a court-ordered deadline to install an estimated $1.1 billion in pollution-control measures."

Scrubbers reduce the undesirable emmissions, they don't eliminate them.

After the utility floats bonds and make other crippling committments to this reduction in emissions, all the enviro-nazis have to do is get one of their old hippie judges to move the decimal point one or two more places to the left on allowables and the utility has to go through the whole thing again.

It appears that the real aim of the enviros is control, not the environment.

[Mr. Jeeves]

It was the environmental groups that helped bring this about - for altruistic reasons, of course...

LOL! It amazes me how many people still think:

1) Altruism = noble self-sacrifice rather than sacrificing somebody else to advance your own interests.

2) Environmentalists act for the benefit of anything but their own interests.

[Iris7]

A 1600 MW coal plant burning low sulfur Western coal will consume about 54 tons of coal a minute (not hour). Think 80,000 tons of coal a day.

A scrubber will evaporate and lose to the air about six pounds of water per pound of coal so scrubbers at the Mohave plant will evaporate about 500,000 tons of water a day at full load.

There are other water losses involved besides evaporation having to do with the gypsum type sludges discharged by the process. The total water consumption is about 700,000 tons or about 169 million gallons of water a day. The water will have to come from somewhere, and must be fresh water (salt water is much harder, read expensive and polluting).

700,000 tons of water a day is about 22,500,000 cubic feet per day or enough water to require a two foot diameter steel pipe flowing full speed. At the published San Diego water consumption rate this is the water required by 375,000 households and the commerce that supports them.

[Fury]

Environmentalists said they sympathized with the tribes, but argued Edison had plenty of time to fix the plant's pollution problems. Edison should invest in renewable energy sources on tribal land, which would benefit the people "who have been exploited all of these years by the greater metropolitan centers of the West," said Roger Clark, director of the Grand Canyon Trust's air and energy program.

Oh please, shut the hell up.

Renewable energy my arse. There's companies in my neck of the woods that are approaching landowners about installing wind turbines. You should hear the "outrage". "We support renewable energy, but...", "wind power is good, but...".

There's claims by groups that oppose wind power that the light flickers from the turbines can cause seizure in some people, that birds get killed in large numbers, etc. I asked by brother's girlfriend whose parents live ~2000' feet from a farm of nine wind turbines and she indicated that the noise is very low, they have very few (< 30 dead birds) in the ~5 years the turbines have been running, etc. Another person who lives down the road from this wind farm says they have experienced none of the problems that opponents of wind farms are claiming.

Sorry, but if people believe that most eco nuts support renewable energy, think again, at least based on the recent experience around these parts...

[Cvengr]

"Environmentalists said they sympathized with the tribes, but argued Edison had plenty of time to fix the plant's pollution problems. Edison should invest in renewable energy sources on tribal land, which would benefit the people "who have been exploited all of these years by the greater metropolitan centers of the West," said Roger Clark, director of the Grand Canyon Trust's air and energy program."

Typical 'environmental' solution to their perceived problem. Demolish all conventional infrastructure and build unsightly windmills and solar photovoltaic farms to occupy the entire landscape so no natural vistas remain in the desert. Won't the Grand Canyon look grand thouroughly dotted with supersized windmills, initial construction financed by government subsidies, without sufficient maintenance funds to demolish after they run for about 10 years and then are abandoned in place.

Look what they've done to Palm Springs.