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To: Nicholas Conradin

Interesting article.

I always see this as not an "either/or" chioice, but a balance. We "give up" freedom by having laws in the first place, or by empowering police at all. We couldn't have a society at all with total anarchy. It's a question of how much liberty, how much security.

There is the argument that we shouldn't want President Bush to have powers that we wouldn't want a Democrat president (ecch!!!) to have. Then again, when did the law ever stop the Clintons? When will we get the true story of the IRS abuses? That was NOT legal, and yet they apparently did something, and the MSM ignored it.

I hereby give up all rights to privacy I have with respect to nuclear materials in my home, office or car. :)


7 posted on 12/29/2005 9:07:38 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

The issue is not Democrat or Republican. It's trust of the government. Unfortunately too many people only trust the govt when "their" man is in the office. I don't trust govt period.


14 posted on 12/29/2005 9:10:04 AM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: cvq3842
I always see this as not an "either/or" chioice, but a balance. We "give up" freedom by having laws in the first place, or by empowering police at all. We couldn't have a society at all with total anarchy. It's a question of how much liberty, how much security.

Common sense? What's that doing here? Don't you know that you can't make an arguement for anything unless you take your point to a bizarre absolute?

Most people seem to be stuck in one of two panic mode absolutes.

PANIC: FOR "If we don't let the government do whatever it wants to keep us safe, atomic weapons will start going off in major cities by Thursday."

and

PANIC: AGAINST "If we give up any rights at all, we'll become a police state. Wiretapping Al Qaida members in the U.S. is only a step away from death camps for anyone that disagrees with the State."

43 posted on 12/29/2005 9:29:25 AM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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To: cvq3842
We "give up" freedom by having laws in the first place, or by empowering police at all.

Incorrect.

73 posted on 12/29/2005 10:58:59 AM PST by Protagoras (If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic event, FR would be the training facility.)
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To: cvq3842
We couldn't have a society at all with total anarchy.

Who has proposed such a thing?


75 posted on 12/29/2005 11:05:08 AM PST by Protagoras (If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic event, FR would be the training facility.)
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To: cvq3842
I always see this as not an "either/or" chioice, but a balance. We "give up" freedom by having laws in the first place, or by empowering police at all. We couldn't have a society at all with total anarchy. It's a question of how much liberty, how much security.

Well said. Our Constitution is not a libertarian document.

77 posted on 12/29/2005 11:11:21 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: cvq3842
It's a question of how much liberty, how much security.

No, its a question of living by, and upholding the Constitution, or 'reforming' our system of government so its primary goal ISN'T the protection of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
91 posted on 12/29/2005 11:26:43 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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