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To: chronic_loser
Let's just add one more idiotic hurdle for them to cross!

Do you honestly believe that requiring an employee to be in this country legally in order to be elligible to work is an idiotic hurdle?

Furthermore, do you honestly believe that employers should not be held to account(thru penalty) for actions they take when they hire Illegal workers? Hint: Both of these are "yes" or "no" questions....:)
74 posted on 12/29/2005 10:20:26 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
Do you honestly believe that requiring an employee to be in this country legally in order to be elligible to work is an idiotic hurdle?

We already require them to provide papers.

Furthermore, do you honestly believe that employers should not be held to account(thru penalty) for actions they take when they hire Illegal workers?

if you can prove they KNOWINGLY do so, I have no problem. The question is, who bears that burden? The fact that we have had a stupid, idiotic and hypocritical immigration system for some years now does not make it suddenly incumbent on small businesses to take on the burden of immigration police.

We already pay your damn health insurance, your disability, your life insurance, your retirement, half your Social Security, your medicare, and withold your income taxes, making us the bagmen for the IRS. I pay over 4,000 a year just for an accountant to track the stuff I take out for the employees I have, and I am a small, small company. I had to file through (so far) 15 workers to find 4 who were worth a shit, and one of them is a naturalized citizen from El Salvador. Most of the workers were stupid, lazy, entitled, privileged, and worthless, and that is when they showed up sober and on time. I am really sick of the crap I hear from freepers claiming that there are lots and lots of good, qualified hard working Americans who would happily do the jobs of illegals. It is simply a lie.

I just got back from visiting my brother in law, who owns a small business installing granite counter tops. 7 employees, two of whom are hispanic. They are "the only ones who will work." I asked "are they legal?" He said "one of them is a US citizen...., his brother has 'papers' but I am not going to go through some crap trying to chase down whether or not the stuff is legit." He pays all the guys the same wages (no splits, the Mexicans are paid the same as the whites and blacks). The IRS and the social security get the same witholding from these guys and THEY ARE THE ONES TASKED IWTH TRACKING THESE NUMBERS.... they say nothing. The non-citizen Mexican (probably illegal) has never filed taxes and probably has no plans to do so. Do you think the fed gripes or contacts anyone? HELL no!! It is free money and they know it. Before the fed starts coming down on small businesses for not doing their work, let's see if they can start by refusing.... lets do the math here, low estimate is 10 million illegals, 5 million of whom work. Say 2 million work in non-contract jobs (another low estimate), where taxes and all are witheld. Lets say every one of them is at 6 dollars an hour, (another low estimate) despite the fact that they are paid prevailing wages and 6 an hour is below wage scale just about everywhere in the country (my brother in law pays 14 an hour). Take 15.5 per cent of that for social security, 5% for income tax, .5% for medicare, and that adds to .155+.05+.005 x(2,000,000 x 6 x 40 x 52) = 5 billion, 241 million, six hundred thousand dollars deposited gratis in the US Treasury every year. That assumes only 2 million illegals on hourly wages, only 6 dollars an hour paid wages. Realistic totals are probably at least double that.

If the fed were serious about illegal immigration, the first thing they would have to do is kiss that money goodbye.

If you want to get serious about illegals, start with the part of the goverment which already has all the record keeping resources in place, not lay some new burden on businessowners.

88 posted on 12/29/2005 11:05:09 AM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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