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Europe launches rival to GPS
http://www.thestar.com ^ | Dec. 29, 2005. 01:00 AM

Posted on 12/29/2005 12:18:02 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

PARIS—A satellite blasted into space yesterday to launch the European Union's $4 billion planned rival to the United States' Global Positioning System.

The test satellite took off from Kazakhstan aboard a Russian Soyuz rocket. The 600-kilogram satellite was released into orbit nearly four hours later, when it began transmitting signals.

"If the Americans want to scramble GPS, they can do it whenever they want ... whereas our system is a civilian-based system run by a civilian authority and would be completely autonomous," said Bonacina.

As it orbits 23,000 kilometres above the Earth, the satellite will test atomic clocks and navigation signals and secure Galileo's frequencies in space.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: galileosatellite; gps; satellite
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1 posted on 12/29/2005 12:18:02 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

<< If the Americans want to scramble GPS, they can do it whenever they want ... whereas our system is a civilian-based system run by a civilian authority and would be completely autonomous ... >>

The Iranians, the Russians and the Chinese - just for starters [And never mind the Indians we call Pakistanis and the other Indians we call Indians] - will be thrilled.

And of course the Euro-peons [Eurabians] won't mind a bit.

As they shall all be dead.


2 posted on 12/29/2005 12:30:56 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our power-lusting career political lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Where does their virtual compass point to? Mecca?


3 posted on 12/29/2005 12:43:30 AM PST by montag813
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To: Brian Allen
Of course the Galileo project will not be totally autonomous. All this is just pure propaganda.

However, who will wield the power to scramble the signals have probably not yet been resolved. Here is what was written in EUROPEAN DEFENCE INDUSTRIES GROUP Weekly Bulletin 2004 – n°09: 5 March 2004:

Solana to get power to switch off Galileo in security threat JAVIER Solana, the EU’s foreign policy supremo, would be given the power to switch off the Galileo satellite system if it is misused in a way that endangers the security of the European Union, under a plan due to be discussed by member states’ diplomats in the coming weeks.

See also: http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/euromedia/archives/002256.html

NB: This has been discussed recently on several blogs but it appears that there is still uncertainty whether Solana has been given these powers or not.

Eg: http://www.eureferendum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1018

In short, this is going to be a European (EU) system just as the GPS is a US system - for good or bad - but as usual the Europeans are trying to put themselves on moral pedestal.
4 posted on 12/29/2005 12:52:08 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

> our system is a civilian-based system run by a civilian authority and would be completely autonomous," said Bonacina.

It probably won't work anyhow, and may result in lots of people getting lost. I'll get excited when Europe manages to land a man on the moon.

When I venture forth into the "bush" (what Yanks call the "woods" or the "toolies", or what Ozzies call "The Outback"), I do not rely on European technology: it is junk.

I take a KA-Bar and leave my Swiss Army Knife at home. I take a Zippo and at least two other ways to make fire. And I take a NAVMAN GPS with extra batteries, just to be on the safe side.

> "If the Americans want to scramble GPS, they can do it whenever they want

Fine. If the Yanks want to do that, it is their prerogative: the Yanks Giveth and the Yanks Taketh Away. That is what I have my USFS surplus compass and a waterproof map for. Crikey.


5 posted on 12/29/2005 1:03:31 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

of course when the system screws up, there call on our guys to give them the proper components.

any way, we came up with gps back in the late seventies and the eighties and they are just now developing there own system? there innovations astound me.

Europe is just trying to flex there "muscle" and try and one up us... with technology we have had for decades.


6 posted on 12/29/2005 1:03:47 AM PST by spikeytx86
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Europe is just trying to flex there "muscle" and try and one up us... with technology we have had for decades.

I hear next month the EU's having a festive rollout of "8-track tape technology for the 21st century," and next year there's even talk about "crockpot cooking," if you can imagine such a thing.

7 posted on 12/29/2005 1:09:30 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Warning: Adult language, but great Christmas message: http://foamy.libertech.net/noxmas.swf)
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To: Darkwolf377

Eeet weell be a Crock Pot, but only bettterrr. Eeet weelll be a Kochpot, and eet weell have a swiss timer.


8 posted on 12/29/2005 1:13:53 AM PST by Thebaddog (K9 4ever)
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Actually, I've read there's a new French crock pot coming out. It only cooks chicken. ;)


9 posted on 12/29/2005 1:16:01 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Warning: Adult language, but great Christmas message: http://foamy.libertech.net/noxmas.swf)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Neither these satellites nor the GPS ones are attack proof. Imagine the chaos if rogue missiles took them out.


10 posted on 12/29/2005 1:17:08 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: Darkwolf377

> Actually, I've read there's a new French crock pot coming out. It only cooks chicken. ;)

HAW! That's hell-funny! Beauty, mate! Cheers!


11 posted on 12/29/2005 1:30:52 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

BTW, love your screen name. I have the "Pyromania" CD in at the moment.


12 posted on 12/29/2005 1:40:46 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: Heatseeker

> I have the "Pyromania" CD in at the moment.

Listening to it right now, myself... and thanks!


13 posted on 12/29/2005 1:46:24 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

often emulated and seldon duplicated....


14 posted on 12/29/2005 2:02:04 AM PST by jackson29
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To: DieHard the Hunter

We also call it 'the sticks'.

You're right- there's no substitute for good kit. Also endlessly-handy items to have along - a box of large sized heavyweight plastic trash bags and lots of 550 cord. I friend and I once built a primitive and very-waterproof shelter in the Sierra Nevada mountains and stayed in it for a few days- in the wintertime.

Map and compass land navigation is becoming a lost art- I'm sorry to say.


15 posted on 12/29/2005 2:02:15 AM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

A few guesses...

IMO, the EU GPS will be more likely a supplement to the US system than a rival. There'll probably come a time when all will need to have ours off and theirs on. If US defense wanted a capability to interfere with the EU's system, that would most likely be in cooperation with the EU to protect a country in the EU from being hit.


16 posted on 12/29/2005 2:03:53 AM PST by familyop (Unfortunately, Albright and Jezebel live.)
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To: Riley

A friend was talking about the GPS system in his car. After his lengthly dissertation on the "wonder", I got a map from my car and said: "2 bucks".......I've had it for 5 years...it's never failed me...and the best thing is......it doesn't talk!!


17 posted on 12/29/2005 2:18:27 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Riley

> Map and compass land navigation is becoming a lost art- I'm sorry to say.

It is, and there's no excuse. They still teach it (I hope?) in Boy Scouts?


18 posted on 12/29/2005 2:20:26 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Sacajaweau

> and the best thing is......it doesn't talk!!

And no batteries required!


19 posted on 12/29/2005 2:21:34 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: familyop

> IMO, the EU GPS will be more likely a supplement to the US system than a rival.

You may be right, but I'd be surprised if the US would ever put itself into a position of being co-dependent on anybody else's technology.

I believe this EU thing will be a toy, nothing more. Like I said, I'll take notice when the EU or anybody else can land men on the moon -- and gittem' back home safely. 30+ years have gone by, and it hasn't happened yet.


20 posted on 12/29/2005 2:33:28 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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