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To: FOG724; FairOpinion; calcowgirl

Again, please explain how a Conservative Republican, in an overwhelmingly Democrat State, could have won? I will give $50 to FreeRepublic in the name of the first person who gives me a coherent answer to that question I've been asking since before Schwartzenneger was elected.


89 posted on 12/30/2005 6:24:58 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy

Calcowgirl has already done that. Repeating it will not make you listen.


90 posted on 12/30/2005 9:42:46 AM PST by FOG724 (A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary)
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To: Hildy
Again, please explain how a Conservative Republican, in an overwhelmingly Democrat State, could have won?

Bill Simon was a conservative candidate. Had Carl Rove not fprced out Shawn Steel, the GOP leadership would not have sabotaged the Simon campaign. That he came within 325,000 votes of winning after the most apparently incompetent campaign in ages, with 1.6 million registered Republicans staying home should be proof enough for a logical person, but allow me to provide you a little more background to support that contention.

Mr. Rove hand picked Gerald Parsky for the post on the promise that he would raise money. Parsky had a vendetta against Bill Simon Sr, the candidate's father. When Simon, a virtual unknown, won the primary by 14 points over Dick Riordan, Parsky took over the campaign by virtue of his control of the money.

He started by refusing to fund GOTV efforts. Then he stipulated that Simon endorse the Log Cabin Republicans before releasing funds. Simon's consultant signed the endorsement. That event was widely ballyhooed, even here on FR, and it had the precise effect intended: it de-energized the base. It got worse. Parsky stipulated that Simon change consultants who produced a horrid ad campaign. He also stipulated that Simon hire Ed Rollins. It was Rollins who produced the famous photo supposedly showing Davis taking cash illegally, which later proved to be false. It was the final straw.

If Simon only lost by 325,000 votes, with that many Republicans staying home, after all that backstabbing, it should be proof enough for you that a conservative can win.

But I'm not done!

Candidate Votes Pct.  Spent ($MM)
Steve Westly Moderate Democrat 45.4 $10.6
Tom McClintock Conservative Republican   45.1 $2.0
 
Result? The conservative got no support from the GOP, was outspent 5:1 by a moderate Democrat, and nearly won anyway, despite the disaster of the Simon campaign.
 
Candidate Votes Vote Pct.  Spent ($MM)
Cruz M. Bustamante Leftist Democrat 49.5 $4.6
Bruce Mc Pherson Moderate Republican 41.8 $2.8
 
Result? The “moderate” Republican darling of the GOP got lots of support, was outspent only 1.6:1 by an extreme leftist with no credibility, the "electable" GOP "moderate" LOST by a margin NINE TIMES larger than the unsupported conservative in the same election.

So much for "moderates are more electable in California."

Sources: vote2002.ss.ca.gov
SOS Campaign Finance Page

But wait, there's more!

Despite having the second lowest Republican registration of any senate Republican seat up for election this year, McClintock's campaign ran more than 19 points ahead of party registration - the largest margin of any senate Republican:

Candidate Party Votes Percent
* Tom McClintock Republican 226,225 61.0%
Paul Joseph Graber Democratic 144,800 39.0%

Here is the last USA Today/CNN/GALLUP poll before the recall.

"6. If the choice were between Cruz Bustamante, the Democrat and Tom McClintock, the Republican, who would you be more likely to vote for: Cruz Bustamante or Tom McClintock?"

September 25-27
Registered Voters

McClintock 49%
Bustamante 42%

Probable Voters

McClintock 56%
Bustamante 37%

So California won't vote conservative? As things stand right now, Tom McClintock has the highest approval rating of any politician in California.

Consider the spate of recent ballot propositions:

Prop 227 English only education in public schools Passed
Prop 209 No more affirmative action in State hiring or education Passed
Prop 22 Heterosexual marriage only Passed
Prop 187 No benefits for illegal aliens Passed

If you have any integrity, you'll make a donation of $50 to the Salvation Army with my thanks.

93 posted on 12/30/2005 11:00:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Hildy; Carry_Okie
Again, please explain how a Conservative Republican, in an overwhelmingly Democrat State, could have won? I will give $50 to FreeRepublic in the name of the first person who gives me a coherent answer to that question I've been asking since before Schwartzenneger was elected.

See post 93. Perfectly coherent, perfectly logical, and completely supported with source references.

97 posted on 12/30/2005 2:52:09 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Hildy
>> Again, please explain how a Conservative Republican, in an overwhelmingly Democrat State, could have won? <<

Recent examples of CONSERVATIVE Republicans WINNING statewide office in "overwhemingly Democrat states":


Don Carcieri
Governor of Rhode Island, Served 2003-Present
Republican


Jim Douglas
Governor of Vermont, Served 2003-Present
Republican


Tim Pawlenty
Governor of Minnesota, Served 2003-Present
Republican


Mike Huckabee
Governor of Arkansas, Served 1997-Present
Republican (Yes, the Clinton state IS overwhemingly Dem and about 3/4ths of the elected officials in that state have a "D" next to their name, including both Senators and 3 out of 4 Congressmen!)


Dino Rossi
ELECTED Governor of Washington state in 2004 -- won BOTH recounts (he's no Al Gore), then Democrat goons "found" more votes and installed some Dem hack as illegite "Governor"


Al D'Amato
U.S. Senator, Served 1981-1999
Republican from New York


Peter G. Fitzgerald
U.S. Senator, Served 1999-2005
Republican from Illinois


Norm Coleman
U.S. Senator, Served 2003-Present
Republican from Minnesota


Bill Roth
U.S. Senator, Served 1971-2001
Republican from Deleware


David Vitter
U.S. Senator, Served 2005-Present
Republican from Louisiana
(FIRST and ONLY Republican ELECTED to the U.S. Senate in the history of that state!)

110 posted on 12/31/2005 11:32:16 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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