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To: jbloedow
No offense, but this is such a load of cr@p. Everything is not an algorithm.

A great deal of mathematics you use everyday depends on you being wrong. You assert it is a "load of crap", but you not given a reason why. And this has nothing to do with the laws of physics, it actually underlies physics.

On the other hand, I dare you to try. It is not every day that someone tries to prove that a core theorem of a very broad section of mathematics is obviously broken despite rigorous proofs to the contrary. It seems kind of disingenuous and hypocritical that you insist that a mathematics is wrong while enjoying and using devices that depend on that same mathematics being correct to function at all.

Any fool can say something is a load of crap, but someone who knows what they are talking about can easily take apart an invalid mathematical construction -- you can actually prove things in math, unlike science. You claim insight, so how about providing some? If my assertion is wrong, you should be able to prove it, in strict terms. I'll be waiting, but I won't be holding my breath. You are not the first person on FR to attack this notion, maybe you should ask the survivors how it has turned out in the past.

Mathematics takes no sides, it is what it is.

720 posted on 12/29/2005 5:03:23 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: tortoise

You're the one who made the original claim, without citation or documentation (to the best of my knowledge). Don't ask me to backup my claims without first backing up yours. If you want to provide a link or two to some external description of what you're talking about, I'd be more than happy to investigate it further. Perhaps it's a simple case of misunderstanding.

(BTW, you respond very quickly for a tortoise.)


721 posted on 12/29/2005 5:08:44 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: tortoise
You assert it is a "load of crap", but you not given a reason why.

If you look in my post (it's not far back), you'll see that I did give a reason why. It's contained in the words after "crap". You may say what you like about my argument, but you can't pretend I just made this claim and stopped there.

722 posted on 12/29/2005 5:11:52 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: tortoise
Any fool can say something is a load of crap, but someone who knows what they are talking about can easily take apart an invalid mathematical construction -- you can actually prove things in math, unlike science.

Gee, have you read the threads on Gödel? :-)

Cheers!

991 posted on 12/31/2005 12:18:22 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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