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To: tortoise
There is no specific requirement for any system to increase its entropy in the theoretical abstract; for thermodynamics that bias exists due to intrinsic properties of our class of universe.

Can you believe these braindead creationist hicks making such antiscientific assumptions? Slander them all I say!

For starters, everything is an algorithm by definition by the simple fact of existence, yet it appears you are trying to posit a case where something exists that is not an algorithm.

No offense, but this is such a load of cr@p. Everything is not an algorithm. Unless you're just trying to say that the physical universe is governed by the laws of physics. But if you're trying to say that every physical entity follows some pre-existing set of built-in instructions, then I think you're on your own from here...

You don't like my assumption that there are physical entities that are not following any preprogrammed set of instructions beyond the laws of physics?

718 posted on 12/29/2005 4:46:23 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: jbloedow
No offense, but this is such a load of cr@p. Everything is not an algorithm.

A great deal of mathematics you use everyday depends on you being wrong. You assert it is a "load of crap", but you not given a reason why. And this has nothing to do with the laws of physics, it actually underlies physics.

On the other hand, I dare you to try. It is not every day that someone tries to prove that a core theorem of a very broad section of mathematics is obviously broken despite rigorous proofs to the contrary. It seems kind of disingenuous and hypocritical that you insist that a mathematics is wrong while enjoying and using devices that depend on that same mathematics being correct to function at all.

Any fool can say something is a load of crap, but someone who knows what they are talking about can easily take apart an invalid mathematical construction -- you can actually prove things in math, unlike science. You claim insight, so how about providing some? If my assertion is wrong, you should be able to prove it, in strict terms. I'll be waiting, but I won't be holding my breath. You are not the first person on FR to attack this notion, maybe you should ask the survivors how it has turned out in the past.

Mathematics takes no sides, it is what it is.

720 posted on 12/29/2005 5:03:23 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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