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To: Logophile

You wrote:
And: Please show us where miscible/immiscible liquids are mentioned in the 2nd law.
One of the problems with discussions such as the present one is that the parties do not take the trouble to provide a clear and unambiguous statement of what they mean by the "Second Law."

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You are very right. The ID/Creationists want us to think that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics 'proves' evolution impossible. It is a very curious position. The creationists object to 'materialistic' science as undermining morality, and yet they use the same materialistic science of the 2nd law to try to 'make a point'.

There are many statements of the 2nd law. One is, "heat does not spontaneously move from a cold region to a warmer region." Put in these words, it is hardly controversial, and would seem to have zero meaning for evolution. The order/disorder confusion excites creationists, because they seek a god-driven order. Which ignores the very quasi-randomness that gives rise to every one of us individuals.


208 posted on 12/28/2005 6:41:23 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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To: thomaswest; Cicero
"The order/disorder confusion excites creationists, because they seek a god-driven order."

More 'tomcat' reaction.

You obviously don't understand the applications of the 2nd law. Your work obviously doesn't depend directly on the dependability of signal processing. I wish I was afforded the same luxury. To anyone who uses the electromagnetic spectrum to communicate data, thermal entropy is an every-day, real world issue. It destroys information. Enough energy can effectively destroy all information in a given stream. Keep on bleating the 'talking points' that you read in your evolution church program; just don't expect to garner any respect from real people.

216 posted on 12/28/2005 6:51:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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