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To: thomaswest; Cicero
"The order/disorder confusion excites creationists, because they seek a god-driven order."

More 'tomcat' reaction.

You obviously don't understand the applications of the 2nd law. Your work obviously doesn't depend directly on the dependability of signal processing. I wish I was afforded the same luxury. To anyone who uses the electromagnetic spectrum to communicate data, thermal entropy is an every-day, real world issue. It destroys information. Enough energy can effectively destroy all information in a given stream. Keep on bleating the 'talking points' that you read in your evolution church program; just don't expect to garner any respect from real people.

216 posted on 12/28/2005 6:51:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor; thomaswest

My difficulties with the General Theory of Evolution are not primarily religious, although the knee-jerk scorn of religion on the part of many Darwinists is disturbing.

It's a scientific problem. It just doesn't make sense. It's bad science, dogmatic in the worst way.

I thought so when I studied Darwin in school and college, and I think so even more after considering the matter and reading further discussions of the difficulties. DNA was unknown when I first studied biology. The macro difficulties were already a deal breaker, but the difficulties on a micro level are even worse.

And there is a fundamental problem underlying all the rest: Take away the Logos, the principle of rationality built into the universe, and take away the philosophical concept of realism, and you take away rationality itself. I have argued this point with a philosopher friend of mine who works in the field of artificial intelligence. In a purely materialistic and accidental universe, rationality has no real meaning.


227 posted on 12/28/2005 7:02:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: editor-surveyor

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LOL. I love your 'tomcat' reaction, so wonderfully reasoned and evidence-based. Another keeper from you.

Actually, I know a tiny bit about signal processing. The matters come up in MRI systems. MRI makes use of the proton's magnetic moment, and interrogating their 'spins' via electromagnetic waves. It is a bit complex, but from basic physics, it is possible to understand. I do not think "God did it" is a good explanation for how MRI works. Perhaps you have a better explanation?

I am not sure what you mean by 'bleating'. I do understand that valuable information is provided in MRI, CT and other medical systems that utilize electromagnetic wavesand or photons. My impresion is that real people--patients and doctors--utilize the E/M spectrum for valuable purposes. The E/M spectrum also gives us radio, and a window into the universe beyond Earth. [And, unfortunately, cell phones.]

You are funny. Bleating and blathering, it is a fact that e/m waves exist, evolution has happened, and it is a fact that I doubt that you understand either one.


332 posted on 12/28/2005 9:14:56 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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