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To: thomaswest
And: Please show us where miscible/immiscible liquids are mentioned in the 2nd law.

One of the problems with discussions such as the present one is that the parties do not take the trouble to provide a clear and unambiguous statement of what they mean by the "Second Law."

169 posted on 12/28/2005 5:47:15 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
One of the problems with discussions such as the present one is that the parties do not take the trouble to provide a clear and unambiguous statement of what they mean by the "Second Law."

I'll take "Guns" for 100, Alex..

179 posted on 12/28/2005 6:05:39 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Logophile

You wrote:
And: Please show us where miscible/immiscible liquids are mentioned in the 2nd law.
One of the problems with discussions such as the present one is that the parties do not take the trouble to provide a clear and unambiguous statement of what they mean by the "Second Law."

Reply:
You are very right. The ID/Creationists want us to think that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics 'proves' evolution impossible. It is a very curious position. The creationists object to 'materialistic' science as undermining morality, and yet they use the same materialistic science of the 2nd law to try to 'make a point'.

There are many statements of the 2nd law. One is, "heat does not spontaneously move from a cold region to a warmer region." Put in these words, it is hardly controversial, and would seem to have zero meaning for evolution. The order/disorder confusion excites creationists, because they seek a god-driven order. Which ignores the very quasi-randomness that gives rise to every one of us individuals.


208 posted on 12/28/2005 6:41:23 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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