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To: Mark Felton

It's up to you to find a working, published physicist who believes the 2nd law is violated by evolution. If you think it is, tell me exactly what process involved in evolution violates thermodynamics. Point to the specific chemical process that violates the 2nd law.


1,460 posted on 01/11/2006 11:51:18 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138; Right Wing Professor

The creation of DNA seems to violate the 2nd LoT, as it relates to information entropy.

Whatever system created DNA is required to have more information (lower entropy) than the DNA itself. Diffusion of information must occur. The resulting system must be "less informed", so to speak. The DNA would have to be a dispersion or diffusion of the proto-DNA.

No such proto-DNA has yet been discovered.

Nor has an encoding, or evolutionary-type, process been discovered that would allow the creation of properly coded DNA to be formed in an open system in which energy/field forces were available to "drive" the amino acids into proper configuration, or to allow the selection of the "correct" string after being randomly assembled in the soup.

In the case of a living being the evolutionary criteria needed to perform the natural selection process are self-contained within the organism, within the DNA. There are (theoretically) no external systems making the determination of which mutation should live or die. The criteria for life to exist are encoded in the DNA.

But DNA cannot carry the criteria for the existence of DNA before it is created! So who has that criteria?

Why should long-chain polymers floating in a puddle decide they need to reproduce?

Why would these moelcules have a "need" to convert sunlight or other energy sources into stored energy to be used later to reproduce new even more complex molecules? over and over and over...

Why should these happy little molecules have any desire to live at all? (life can be so depressing, I'm sure, but still...)

Why should any molecules care to live at all? Whats the point?

;^)


1,461 posted on 01/12/2006 11:46:50 AM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: js1138
"It's up to you to find a working, published physicist who believes the 2nd law is violated by evolution"

Here are 3. It took me just a few seconds to find them.

Walter L. Bradley received his Ph.D. in Materials Science from the University of Texas. He has participated as principal or co-principal investigator on over three million dollars of contract research and has consulted for many major corporations. He has published over 90 refereed papers in technical journals and conference proceedings. He has been a Texas Engineering Experiment Station Research Fellow since 1982 and was elected as an American Society for Materials Fellow in 1991. He is currently Professor and Head of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Texas A & M University.

Roger L. Olsen received his Bachelor in Science degree in Chemistry in 1972 and his Ph.D. degree in Geochemistry in 1979. Both degrees were from the Colorado School of Mines. Dr. Olsen has worked at the Colorado School of Mines as an Instructor in Chemistry/Geochemistry, at Rockwell International as a Research Chemist, and at D'Appolonia Consulting Engineers/International Technology Corporation as a Project Geochemist. Dr. Olsen has made over 40 presentations at conferences and seminars and has published over 30 papers. He is a member of the American Chemical Society, Sigma Xi and the Hazardous Materials Research Institute. Dr. Olsen is a recognized expert in the fields of geochemistry and environmental chemistry and has been an expert witness in 12 cases.

Charles B. Thaxton received his Ph.D. in Chemistry from Iowa State University. He was a Postdoctoral Fellow at Harvard University for two years where he studied the history of science. He had a Postdoctoral appointment in the biological laboratories at Brandeis University for three years. He co-authored with Nancy Randolph Pearcey, Light Through a Prism: A World View Approach to History of Science (Crossway, 1993). He was the Academic Editor for a high school biology supplement, Of Pandas and People (Haughton, 1989). Dr. Thaxton is President of Konos Connection, a non-profit corporation in Julian, California, and has lectured within the U.S. and Europe. In January, 1992 he moved with his family to Prague, Czechoslovakia. During 1992 he held appointments at both the Slovak Technical University in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia and the Biomathematical Institute in Craiova, Romania. He holds memberships in the American Chemical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and is a Fellow of both the American Institute of Chemists and the American Scientific Affiliation.


1,462 posted on 01/12/2006 11:50:28 AM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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