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1 posted on 12/28/2005 12:46:32 PM PST by SJackson
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The government of Zia-ul-Haq in 1987 introduced fundamentalist doctrines in the teaching of science at all levels, from primary schools to universities. The regime organized international conferences and provided funding for research on such topics as the temperature of hell and the chemical nature of jinns (demons).14

2 posted on 12/28/2005 12:48:19 PM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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The Muslims are very scientific. They know how to use airliners as missiles, old artillery shells for IUDs, and sharpen knives for a (relatively) quick execution. What's so unscientific about that?

No culture on earth is so quick to use "science" to kill people, but for nothing more.

3 posted on 12/28/2005 12:55:05 PM PST by manwiththehands (My Christmas wish: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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Islam abhors curiosity.

Islam adores ignorance.

6 posted on 12/28/2005 12:56:21 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (expell the fat arrogant carcasses of Congress)
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Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

8 posted on 12/28/2005 1:00:09 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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Between praying five times a day, cursing infedels, beating their women, and building car bombs... who has time for science?


11 posted on 12/28/2005 1:01:03 PM PST by libertarianPA
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Using Muslim and science in a single sentence seems to be an oxymoron in its self.

Except for the most elite of the Mideastern Muslims, they still wipe their a** on their hand, or in some cases a stone( which they save until needed again...lol).
12 posted on 12/28/2005 1:01:05 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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In particular, the great theologian Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali (1059-1111) used the tools of the philosophers to undermine philosophical and scientific inquiry.

As folks are trying to do in America today.

17 posted on 12/28/2005 1:04:07 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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I will say this... the Middle East was on a roll until that Mohammed guy came along


18 posted on 12/28/2005 1:06:33 PM PST by libertarianPA
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Science declines when people stop questioning.

Oh, except when it comes to ID. Then we just say "God did it" and leave it at that.


19 posted on 12/28/2005 1:10:09 PM PST by mc6809e
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Don't overlook their leading role in holocaust denial and biological efforts to prove that Jews are monkeys or pigs.


24 posted on 12/28/2005 1:15:27 PM PST by sgtyork (If Osamma calls someone in the US, should the NSA hang up?)
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"The one exception was Turkey, which under Kemal Mustafa Ataturk after 1922 launched an ambitious program of industrialization and an expansion of engineering education."


That country is turning a new leaf if we take current events in that country into account:

Turkish Turn Back?
Tolerance, slipping

Istanbul - Back in June, Turks did a double-take when Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan began his monthly television address. Rather than speak before the traditional backdrop of the Turkish flag and a portrait of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of the republic, Erdogan spoke before photos of mausoleum and a mosque. The message, Turks said, was clear. Ataturk was dead, but Islam lives on. http://www.nationalreview.com/rubin/rubin200510190816.asp


26 posted on 12/28/2005 1:15:40 PM PST by apro
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Islam is not, however, the key problem facing scientific achievement in the Muslim world.
Yeah, right. And I'm Queen Elizabeth of England.

27 posted on 12/28/2005 1:16:30 PM PST by DallasMike (Call me Dallasaurus)
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This, for example, is the proportion of citations of articles published in internationally circulating science journals.

And the vast majority of those came from "Beheading Monthly."

31 posted on 12/28/2005 1:20:59 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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They haven't found a test tube sturdy enough to stab someone with yet.


33 posted on 12/28/2005 1:21:48 PM PST by kenth (Merry Christmas!)
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Why do they lag in Science?

1. The rich and "educated" are inbred, gene pool not deep enough for real thought.
2. The poor are malnourished, don't go to school and die young.
3. The boys with any "initiative" blow themselves up, not that they would have amounted to anything anyway cause they were probably stupid to begin with. What person with any brains blows himself up?
4. The smart ones don't achieve because if they do and fall into the good graces of a leader, the leader gets assassinated, and the thugs go after everyone associated with former leader.
5. It is too darned hot to study anything there, they do have loads of oil, what else is there?
6. They are just plain stupid.
36 posted on 12/28/2005 1:26:08 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Ok, honestly, did anyone really get a Lexus for Christmas?)
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When any scientific endeavor has to first be vetted by some wild-eyed kook with a beard full of fleas - think any well-known "ayatollah" or Muckie al-Sadr - that really tends to stifle creative thought...


38 posted on 12/28/2005 1:32:59 PM PST by Redbob
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You do have to admit they know how to fly hijacked jet airliners into buildings...



39 posted on 12/28/2005 1:38:08 PM PST by Fintan (See??? Sometimes I do read the articles.)
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Sex crazed, drugged out, hate filled brainwashed zombie butchers do not make for good science or the arts.


41 posted on 12/28/2005 1:45:20 PM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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Interesting article, but I think the author misses a very important point. Instead of asking why Islamic societies lag in science, he would have been better off asking why almost every society "lags" in science. Science is almost uniquely Western as a dominant cultural force, despite the relatively advanced cultures found in other parts of the world at various points in human history.

What has set Europe apart (and, by extension, those parts of the world that were explored and developed by the European powers) from any other culture since the 15th century was that it was uniquely positioned to take advantage of three key cultural forces that combined to lay the foundation for rapid scientific advancement. These include the following: 1) the "linear" mindset of Judaeo-Christianity, which was in stark contrast to the "cyclical" mindset of almost every other culture in the history of the world; 2) the egalitarianism of Christianity, which resulted in the historical anomaly of human equality across different ethnic and tribal lines; and 3) the Persian numerical system, which was left behind when the Moors were chased out of Europe in the late 1400s.

Item #1 is important because it explains why the most important, and enduring, legacies of exploration have been left by the Europeans. A "cyclical" mindset that was common in all Eastern and aboriginal cultures is not conducive to exploration and scientific development, for people with this mindset view the world around them as nothing more than endless cycles of days, years, lunar phases, etc. You plant in the spring, harvest in the fall, do your best to keep warm in the winter, and then start all over again in the spring. That's all there is to it, and then one day you die of a disease or of old age and take your place next to some mystical bonfire in the sky.

The "linear" history of Judaism and Christianity changed all of that. Since the world had a beginning and will have an end, one of the underlying currents in Western society was the notion that these various cycles didn't always have to be the same. The farmer who planted and harvested 10 acres of corn one year began to think about how to plant and harvest 15 acres the next year, and instead of simply accepting natural phenomena like famines, plagues, etc. at face value, people began to think about how to deal with them and minimize the harm they caused. This point is often overlooked, and yet it goes a long way toward explaining why Western culture has dominated the world for so long. The man in Asia who looked out at the Pacific Ocean simply saw waves crashing on the shore, while the man in Europe who looked out at the Atlantic wondered what was on the other side.

Item #3 was absolutely essential to scientific development because the Roman numbering system was useless for anything more advanced than counting and cataloguing. So many of the basic elements of mathematics that we take for granted -- including such things as multiplication, division, negative numbers, and even the number "0" -- were meaningless in the context of the Roman system.

44 posted on 12/28/2005 1:59:09 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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>Why Does the Muslim World Lag in Science?

Why is the US
so far behind Asia in
the business world?

46 posted on 12/28/2005 2:02:43 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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