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I posted this because it certainly is a good topic for discussion.

Are the facts correct is one thing I would ask? Is gun confiscation strictly a liberal plan or mindset? Who else would want to confiscate guns? How would gun confiscation be administered?

I think banning guns means more than restrictions on sales of guns and more than gun registration, it must mean going door to door and confiscating the weapons.

1 posted on 12/28/2005 12:06:13 PM PST by Final Authority
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Government that has grown to big is the biggest threat to our liberties one and all. They start small, and like boiling a frog, most people don't wake up to what's done to them until they are the ones who are getting their oxes gored. Start out with something simple.. say Car Seats "For the chilluns." Then Seat Belts "For cutting down on health care costs" Then Smoking "oops, for the chilluns again" Then "For whatever reason." Finally it will be gun registration "Why should cars be licensed and guns not?" is the argument Before long it will be "Papers Please!" and finally "We need you to go into this large chamber, take your clothes off and all personal effects and go into the de-lousing area. After that we will process you." I can see it happening just as if it had already occurred. oh.. wait.. it has. Germany, 1935 is when it started most recently.
80 posted on 12/28/2005 12:31:40 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Uncommon Valor was a common Virtue)
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and most murderers own their handguns legally and know how to use them safely.

At least the victims can know that they were "safely" murdered.

82 posted on 12/28/2005 12:32:27 PM PST by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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I think this needs to be central to their platform in 2006.
86 posted on 12/28/2005 12:34:18 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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Indeed. Those want to violate murder statutes would of course be compelled to obey laws banning handguns.

Shew. Some people are just beyond stupid.


87 posted on 12/28/2005 12:34:22 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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Jenny Price appears to be an LA based writer. I found this list of articles where she is credited with writing an anti-gun article in 1998, apparently two years before this alleged tragedy;

http://www.vpc.org/studies/wgun980324.htm


88 posted on 12/28/2005 12:34:29 PM PST by DakotaRed
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Is gun confiscation strictly a liberal plan or mindset?

Gun control is a totalitarian mindset. Anyone who wants to rule a people by force, first needs to remove from the people the ability to defend themselves. This was true in feudal societies. It was true in Nazi Germany and the USSR. It's still true in Africa, NK, China, and the Fourth Reich European Union. Either defend your right to keep and bear arms in order to protect yourself, or just put your chains on and obey.

89 posted on 12/28/2005 12:34:32 PM PST by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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Of the 12,000 guns used to kill people every year, 160 are used in legitimate self-defense. Guns in the home are used seven times more often for murder than for self-defense.

Where's the author's source for this stat? Or is it the "87% of all Statistics are made up on the spot" type?

92 posted on 12/28/2005 12:34:52 PM PST by wbill
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It's a quagmire! A QUAGMIRE I TELL YOU!! 12 million killed by gun violence in the US in a year and 2000 died in the war in Iraq. We need to have an exit plan to pull out of the US and move to Iraq where it is safe. Sarc/
95 posted on 12/28/2005 12:37:40 PM PST by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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"These guns are designed to kill people."

Killing people is often a good thing.


98 posted on 12/28/2005 12:39:26 PM PST by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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Gun control is all the liberals have. They've spent the last 75 years systematically destroying our culture in pursuit of Utopia. Every issue we must address is a taboo with liberals: race, personal responsibility, the need for law and order, the poison of socialism.

Being a liberal allows them to live a life of idle privilege while continuing to feel good about themselves. Doing anything substantive to fix things would require repudiating Utopianism and acknowledging the disastrous results of everything the left has done since FDR.

Its so much easier to just blame everything on guns. Sitting in a cottage in the Hamptons or a tony San Francisco loft they can say "I am doing something about violence!" without the pesky need to do any heavy lifting - or painful self examination.

101 posted on 12/28/2005 12:40:47 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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12,000 used to kill someone. 160 in self defense that results in the perp dying. Untold millions where merely the presence of a firearm in the hands of a victim has either chased off the perp or held them until the cops show up.

What would happen to those millions if they didn't have those guns? Would they be victims of axe murders? Machetes? Rapists with nothing more than chloroform and duct tape?

No thanks. You try and take my guns and you'll be the next "victim" on this idiot writers list...

103 posted on 12/28/2005 12:42:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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Poor Jenny Price's brother was murdered so it's only fair that the rest of us be disarmed so we can share her brother's fate.


106 posted on 12/28/2005 12:43:33 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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Why dont they just say the only way to stop hand gun crime is to CONFISCATE hand guns?


107 posted on 12/28/2005 12:43:57 PM PST by antaresequity ((PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED))
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"These guns are designed to kill people: That's their sole purpose."

Is she RETARDED????????????

If guns kill people, then eating organic foods makes liberals stupid.

It's people who commit crimes. If they had no guns, they would use knives, planks of wood, bricks, glass bottles, etc. like they do throughout Europe.

A vote for gun control=A vote to help criminals commit crimes.


109 posted on 12/28/2005 12:44:38 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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Total idiot. She blames a gun for killing her brother, yet does not even mention the criminal.


110 posted on 12/28/2005 12:46:40 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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I think banning guns means more than restrictions on sales of guns and more than gun registration, it must mean going door to door and confiscating the weapons.

You mean something kind of like what was done in Louisiana a few weeks ago? Right after a publicly elected official's lackey sheriff stated ONLY THE POLICE SHALL BE ARMED?

You mean something like what happened in Cuba right after Castro took power?

You mean something like happened in the USSR and in Nazi Germany and in every other freakin' police state since the dawn of time???

113 posted on 12/28/2005 12:48:34 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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"Are the facts correct is one thing I would ask?"

I doubt it.

"Is gun confiscation strictly a liberal plan or mindset? "

Mainly, but not entirely. No liberal I know approves of guns, but there are a few conservatives out there who are also anti-gun.

"Who else would want to confiscate guns?"

Super law and order types with no real experience in police work.

"How would gun confiscation be administered? "


The way they are doing it now - incrementally. FIRST you start in school with young kds. You brainwash them into thinking Guns = bad. Then you pass sturpid restricting laws against "assault rifles", "Saturday Night Specials" ".50 caliber Sniper rifles", etc. Then you require registration of guns on the state level or permitting on the state level. That way, they know who has what and where to go to get it.

You also pass idiotic restrictions like trigger lock laws, and "smart-gun" bills.

Eventually, the law-abiding citizens are gradually convinced they are saer by giving up guns and gradually the criminal element becomes bolder and gets its hands on more and more illegal smuggled guns.

Then you have what exists today in England and other places which tried this nonesense.


114 posted on 12/28/2005 12:48:54 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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They'd hit you in the wallet.


115 posted on 12/28/2005 12:50:39 PM PST by kx9088
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From the millions licensed to carry handguns the far left is able to find one whacko and uses that story, which may or may not be true, as a way to get traction for its usual aray of bankrupt agruements.


117 posted on 12/28/2005 12:59:11 PM PST by Retain Mike
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If David and his wife had been armed, they might have been able to defend themselves. We will never know.
119 posted on 12/28/2005 1:01:14 PM PST by LOC1
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