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Dow slumps triple digits as Treasury yield curve inverts (recession indicator)
MarketWatch.com (by Dow Jones) ^ | 12/27/05 | Tomi Kilgore

Posted on 12/27/2005 1:36:38 PM PST by SierraWasp

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To: editor-surveyor

Most people just thing I'm full of IT!!!


121 posted on 12/27/2005 5:35:05 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Yes, I know you love that Volvo SUV almost as much as I love my little Hummer rescue vehicle!!!

You need that when you live out as far past the end of the power lines as you do.

By the way... where'd you decide to put that extra cash?

In a sock.

122 posted on 12/27/2005 5:45:50 PM PST by lewislynn (Fairtax= lies, hope, wishful thinking and conjecture.)
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To: festus

I'll bet a lot of sellers don't even know what an inverted yield curve is. Their broker called and said, while winking to his amused buddy at the office, "you'd better get out now Sidney, this inverted yield curve thing is going to kill stock prices!"
Or 'Sidney' read some sensationalism in the media and did a solo panic.


123 posted on 12/27/2005 5:47:21 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: lewislynn
How can you continuously insist on being so incesuently WRONG!!!

I live at the end of the power line! And my Hummer rescue vehicle is one mean little Toyota SUV!!! (I will now have to add VOLVO SUV rescue vehicle, for sure!)

And last, but certainly not least, you're not supposed to put your cash in a sock! You're just supposed to put a sock in it!!!(snort!)

124 posted on 12/27/2005 5:52:26 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: lewislynn

Smart.


125 posted on 12/27/2005 5:54:34 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: dubyaismypresident
Today was the last day of the year to sell your losers and get the tax benefit this year.

Wrong, tax code specifies that for stock and bonds, the trade date is the date to be put down on the Schedule D. See IRS instructions.

126 posted on 12/27/2005 6:51:02 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: SolidSupplySide
The impact on US markets was shallow and very temporary

IIRC, the market lost more than 20% in less than three months. Not exactly what I'd call shallow, but it was certainly temporary, thanks to Greenspan slashing interest rates and the fed bank in NY organizing the bailout.

The doom and gloom was rife back then and many were predicting a recession and global economic contraction. I think the S&P gained about 50% during nine months after the crisis.

The markets are still driven by emotion today as evidenced by their reaction to the yield curve inversion.

127 posted on 12/27/2005 6:53:18 PM PST by Mase
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To: pleikumud

You're closer to the truth than either of us would want to admit.


128 posted on 12/27/2005 8:06:36 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: GregoryFul

I think that many years ago the IRS required year-end losses to be reported as of the settlement date, which might be January __, but gains on the trade date.


129 posted on 12/28/2005 6:22:27 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: RightWhale

Just when I was starting to be proud of my mutual funds--hopefully this will not signal a deeper drop in the market. The FED should be at the end of rate increases.


130 posted on 12/28/2005 6:34:23 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: RightWhale

Just when I was starting to be proud of my mutual funds--hopefully this will not signal a deeper drop in the market. The FED should be at the end of rate increases.


131 posted on 12/28/2005 6:34:25 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: SierraWasp

An inverted yield curve is an imperfect forecaster of a "general economic recession" but is considered FAR more accurate predictor of a "corporate profits recession".

I have to consider this at least somewhat perilous for the markets because 1) markets measure corp. profits, 2) corporate profits have been very high, however, that being based on 3) accomodative monetary policy and profligate gov't spending, both of which are supposedly coming to an end. All leading me to believe, and it is a belief, that what's driving the yield inversion is a short term demand for capital [demand for capital drives bond prices UP which drives their yields DOWN]....and yet....corp coffers are allegedly brimming with cash. So what's up with that?

It's lousy enough trying to formulate opinions in a world of pure and unrelenting media spin, but making financial decisions in that world is a frustrating game indeed.

IMO, markets head lower.

http://www.iseoptions.com/marketplace/statistics/sentiment_index.asp#

SCREAMINGLY bullish sentiment is not good.


132 posted on 12/28/2005 8:18:06 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; GeorgefromGeorgia; pleikumud; festus; Mase; GregoryFul; Jigsaw John; ...
3:04 Market Snapshot: U.S. stocks broadly higher as yield curve stabilizes

(Latest bulletin from: http://BigCharts.MarketWatch.com)

133 posted on 12/28/2005 12:26:10 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

What are you saying? That the yesterday's yield curve inversion doesn't have any predictive power when it comes to recession? Are you coming over to my point of view?


134 posted on 12/28/2005 12:30:19 PM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide

The yield curve is an excellent indicator of how much the Federal Reserve is manipulating the market, and whether they are overdoing it in either direction. Thus it can be used to predict recession, since it is the Federal Reserve that causes them in modern times.


135 posted on 12/28/2005 1:13:31 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: SolidSupplySide
Just because I post a panicky sounding article from the financial press does NOT mean I'm buying their BS!!! Especially from this historically questionable source that has rivaled Dan Blather under CBS ownership before Dow Jones bought 'em... Check out the link below and see another writer from the same site scoop out the Bool Chit!!! Here's an excellent follow-up from the very same source!!!
136 posted on 12/28/2005 3:31:22 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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