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Call me crazy, but I felt like I was reading an editorial written by someone from FR when I read Bob Herbert's column today! It sounds like he is lamenting the total lack of black leadership, and telling blacks to get their act together for the benefit of their kids by changing their own BEHAVIOR. I was really amazed. Anyone else read his editorial today? And feel the same way I did??
1 posted on 12/26/2005 12:58:07 PM PST by summer
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To: summer

Bob mush of had an Epiphany (pardon the pun).


2 posted on 12/26/2005 12:59:12 PM PST by keithtoo (Leftists/Democrats - Traitors, Haters and Vacillators)
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This is not the first column he has written like this; he just had another one the other day, criticizing hip hop and rap artists. Today he went off about how a black 17 year old drop out he met had no idea why school would be beneficial. herbert also criticized black men for having kids and abandoning them. Really, his column today was like something out of FR.


3 posted on 12/26/2005 1:00:09 PM PST by summer
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I doubt he's converted from being a liberal. In this situation the usual trope is blacks are victims of whites and society. Whatever trouble they have has nothing to do with them. Naturally, the only fix is more government programs.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

5 posted on 12/26/2005 1:02:16 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I'm glad that Mr. Herbert has said this. But it can't be a one-time event. If so, he'll remain a hypocrite.


6 posted on 12/26/2005 1:02:45 PM PST by rdb3 (This is a ch__ch. What's missing?)
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ping


9 posted on 12/26/2005 1:04:48 PM PST by EveningStar
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...total lack of black leadership.

So true unless you call Jesse Hijackson, Al Shartongue, and Harry Belacommie leaders worthy of the name. Of course there are a significant number of black conservatives who could provide good leadership but who don't have the ear of the the average black person (largely thanks to the aforementioned) and who are thus never called upon.

11 posted on 12/26/2005 1:05:36 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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The irony here is that NO ONE who needs to change their behavior will read this. It's behind the Times' price-discrimination "select" subscription wall. How funny is this?


17 posted on 12/26/2005 1:09:20 PM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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It is pretty astonishing to see Herbert saying this and the Times printing it. The leftists have spent the past 70 or 80 years egging blacks on to behave as badly as possible so they can reap the advantages.

Nothing anyone else can do will straighten blacks out. They must do it themselves, like any other group of people. Which means, among other things, that they have to stop playing Democrat games and consider what is best for themselves.


18 posted on 12/26/2005 1:09:40 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Herbert knows the status that awaits the black "community" if it doesn't get its collective act together. With the ever increasing population of Hispanics in America, the "community" is facing further marginalization because of its immoral and anti-social behavior.
21 posted on 12/26/2005 1:14:21 PM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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> It sounds like he is lamenting the total lack of black leadership, and telling blacks to get their act together for the benefit of their kids by changing their own BEHAVIOR. I was really amazed. Anyone else read his editorial today? And feel the same way I did??

Dunno because I cannot afford to subcribe to yet another newsfeed.

What I can say is this: "the 'Hip-Hop community' needs to come into line with the rest of Society. Tagging is vandalism: pure and simple. It should be punished as such. It damages property, both private and public. And costs a sh*tload of money, every year, to fix. And most people (at least DownUnder) have had a thorough gutsful.

So fine: enjoy your "hip-hop gangsta" lifestyle with impunity. But start tagging our street (as you have done) and peddling drugs and advocating violence, and abusing women (aka "hoes") and start throwing around side-arms and introducing our kids to P-Methamphetamine, then you shall make us truly angry.

You don't want to do that."


22 posted on 12/26/2005 1:15:08 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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No doubt the first response, if any, from the black "leadership" will be that Mr. Herbert isn't REALLY black like Bill Clinton is.


23 posted on 12/26/2005 1:16:34 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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It will take a new movement to bring about the changes in values and behavior needed to halt the self-destruction that is consuming so many black lives.

The scary thing is that the 'new movement' looking to fill the void is the Muslims. Not necessarily the Black Muslims. I mean the Arabic Muslims (as seen in our prisons) if they can manage to cover up their love of slavery. Too bad the Christian black preachers can't get together without having the politicians and publicity seekers involved. Maybe Cosby, Herbert, and others of like mind can get something going.

25 posted on 12/26/2005 1:21:23 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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Call me crazy, but I did not know that Bob Herbert was black until I just saw his picture. That is both good and bad. Good that he wrote about the obvious, and bad that only a black writer is deemed entitled to comment about the behavior of 10% of this nations' people. I don't mean to suggest monolithic behavior of all ten percent, but in a nation, it seems stupid, to me, to forbid the majority to comment on things that affect us all, and in spite of forty years of silly comments to the effect of, "its a black thing, you wouldn't understand", a lot of us do understand, and we have been perplexed by generations of underclass americans accepting a lifestyle that is guaranteed to hold them back.

Imagine this country with all cylinders cooking. The economy would be awesome, our people would be finding real "equality" of opportunity, the federal budget would be healthy and we wouldn't still find pockets in cities where only Marines in Humvees could go with a reasonable certainty of getting back safely.


29 posted on 12/26/2005 1:26:48 PM PST by billhilly (Demo camo is yellow and white)
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Since I can't read it. My only comment is: even a broken clock is right twice a day.

When the Times was free and before they went for profits and now have to actually pay to read their swill, Herbert did write some stuff that was reasonable and cogent..............for the Times

46 posted on 12/26/2005 1:55:31 PM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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Sounds familiar .........

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56 posted on 12/26/2005 2:18:54 PM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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Why read the times???? Let the most racist race continue to wallow in their hate while looking to the demonrats to save them.


57 posted on 12/26/2005 2:19:47 PM PST by right right
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It sounds like he is lamenting the total lack of black leadership...

Yep. Sadly, black leadership has been predicated on MONEY for the last 50 years or so. Self-annointed "leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are in it for the money only... shaking down anyone and anything they can without regard for the struggles of their own people. They run a mafia-like racket and the smiling white faces in the media ignore the real story.

62 posted on 12/26/2005 3:08:54 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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Herbert is a liberal AND a New York Slimes propagandist. This article has zero credibility. Herbert does not mean a single word of what he is saying.

Herbert must have wrote this to keep some critics off his back. He doesn't believe any of it.


70 posted on 12/26/2005 3:41:10 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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Hopefully he has thick skin, because the Cosby effect is about to come down on him.

But at least he's trying, and he is right on the money.

84 posted on 12/26/2005 5:47:52 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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Too bad nobody's going to read it under Times Select.


85 posted on 12/26/2005 5:49:22 PM PST by paulat
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