The Gun Control Lobby, Thinking Small (Grieving loss of brother alert)

The Washington Post ^ | December 25, 2005 | Jenny Price

[El Gato]

These guns are designed to kill people: That's their sole purpose.

Must be something wrong with my semi-auto handguns. None of the them has ever killed anything, let alone a person. Neither have any of my long guns, except one. I have hunted pheasants with the Browning BPS pump shotgun. I didn't get many withit compared to how many I got with it's predecessor, a 20 pump marked by Sears. Yes Virginia, Sears not only sold guns, they had their own "house brand" of both guns and ammunition.

[Travis McGee]

Exactly!

[El Gato]

But let's stop arming the populace in the meantime, which pro- and anti-gun advocates alike know for certain will create a mountainous death toll.

Actually, we know no such thing. Quite the opposite in fact. The historical record is quite clear, "More guns = Less Crime", and less deaths". Of the remaining deaths, the balance is changed, more bad guys less good guys. And that is a "Good Thing". IMHO at least.

[El Gato]

A gun is made to kill. We all know that, that is why you never accept the fact that a gun is unloaded unless you yourself check, why you never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to harm or that is intending you harm.

A gun is made to propel a projectile, with some degree of accuracy and speed. What that projectile hits, or if it's even launched is up to the human operator.

The Constitution gives the people the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, just as it gives the people the freedom of speech and the other freedoms of the bill of rights.

The Constitution by it's very terminology, does not give or grant rights, it protects them. People are, as Thomas Jefferson put in the Declaration of Independence, "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights".

[School of Rational Thought]

I would be that the manner of conveyance this mother used when she purchased a handgun, was an automobile. She probably used the same vehicle to apply for permit/licens/registration, and use that same vehicle to repeatly drive to and from a practice range.

Without the vehicle, sold to her without regard to its purpose, this incident is likely to have never happened.

[zip]

I posted that once and some liberal limp wristed gun grabber complained and the Mod deleted my post. Ticked me off at the time but I finally got over it. lol

[Casloy]

Of the 12,000 guns used to kill people every year, 160 are used in legitimate self-defense.

Even if her figures are correct, so what? To me the only statistic that counts is the one that occurs in my home. I can either be the one in 160 that uses my gun for legitimate self defense, or I can be one of the 12,000 people killed by someone else's gun. The person who is responsible for her brother's death is her mother, sue her ass for using the gun improperly. Typical liberal, wants to put the blame on someone else.

[Texas Eagle]

The problem is that 60 million people in the United States own handguns.

The problem is you are an idiot.

[Thombo2]

"A chip that monitors the persons excitement level...esp anger."I like that idea.

[neutronsgalore]

"I can either be the one in 160 that uses my gun for legitimate self defense, or I can be one of the 12,000 people killed by someone else's gun."

And not surprisingly she concentrates on the statistics involving only deaths to create the large disparity. John Lott's research has determined there are between 1-2 million incidences of legitimate self/property-defense every year using firearms but without a single shot fired. And she ignores murder in Great Britain committed with other weapons as if they're not important.

[GladesGuru]

I just received an email from a FReeper who raised a good point. He does not put things like bumper stickers on his car because he doesn't want his car keyed.

This is a baseless fear. By the same argument that the cops will prevent personal violence to the citizen, it is also true that the nice officers will be there to prevent the violence prone Liberals from becoming excited and keying cars with bumper stickers they don't agree with.

Trust the nice ossifer - he/she/it is there to protect YOU.

;-)

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

My guess is that this liberal is OK with killing babies.

It's safe because...well... they are unarmed. Once they get all the guns, you'll be safe to off too. :-(

[Casloy]

1-2 million incidences of legitimate self/property-defense every year using firearms but without a single shot fired.

And that does not include the number of times a bad guy decides to move on because he thinks his victim might be armes. The single best thing about right to carry laws is that bad guys never know who is or is not carrying.

[Mikey]

"...agreed to move out of her daughter's apartment...Then she shot and killed her daughter and her daughter's fiance -- my brother David."

An "elderly" woman moved out of her daughter's apartment? Why, was her daughter and her husband cruel to her? Why would and elderly woman move outta an apartment unless there was some sort of conflict between her and her daughter and / or her husband?

Why did she shoot both of them? Something doesn't add up.

"...gun violence...gun manufacturers' liability...manufacturers for negligence..."

"gun violence"

First off, how about violence itself, be it gun, knife, auto, baseball bat, frozen turkey's, pushing off a cliff, drowning, etc., etc., etc? By singling out only violence by someone using (or misusing) a gun, is IMHO condoning all other forms of violence.

"...gun manufacturers' liability...manufacturers for negligence..."

I work as a mechanic and if I do something stupid like drop a hammer on my foot or burn myself on an exhaust manifold. I don't sue the company that manufactured the hammer or sue the company that manufactured the exhaust manifold, no I call myself a schmuck hobble over to the bench and take care of the problem. I never had and never will sue anyone or any company because of an act of stupidity that I and I alone am responsible.

Today we have people suing companies for all sorts of ridiculous reasons. If say Glock had manufactured a weapon with serious defects in it and it exploded in someones face maiming or killing them, then yes I say say sue the hell outta them. However, if one were to look down the barrel of a fully loaded weapon with ones finger on the trigger and the weapon goes off, then its the fault of the imbecile that had possession of said weapon.

I say if this yoyo truely believes that all guns are evil, then she shouldn't be a hypocrit. Hang one of these signs up in her yard or on the door of her apartment.

[Mikey]

"My guess is that this liberal is OK with killing babies. "

As long as the murderer abortion doctor doesn't use the evil gun, than I guess they feel its okay.

[elbucko]

Five years ago an elderly Los Angeles woman who had agreed to move out of her daughter's apartment bought a handgun.

This sentence says more that the rest of the article. Before a gun was purchased there were already issues with this old lady and her daughter. The cause of death was gunshot, the reason was the old lady or the daughter was mentally ill. Without a gun, the old lady might have just torched the joint with the daughter in it.

This isn't gun violence, but the violence of the mentally ill that we have let out since the Community Mental Health Services act of 1963.

[Mikey]

" The Constitution gives the people the RIGHT to keep and bear arms..."

Sorry , but your wrong here. The Constitution doesn't give you jack. It SECURES your right to keep and bear arms. There is a BIG difference.

[YOUGOTIT]

"Sorry , but your wrong here. The Constitution doesn't give you jack"

Ok if it was not in the Constitution then any law passed to deny you the ability to purchase and keep and bear arms would be legal and as such you and I would have NO RIGHT period.

I really like it when the people say the Constitution does not give rights. It is the Supreme Law and if it were not for the RIGHTS that it states belong to the people, and says the government may not trample on them, we the people would have NO RIGHTS.

So if it does not give me jack then there is no reason to have judges that support and defend the Constitution we could be like other countries and have NO freedoms except those the ruling class gives out and then takes away the next day.

[SuzyQue]

Good questions. I did a search and can't find a story like this on the web - woman and her fiance David killed by mother in Los Angeles. Hardly definitive, but it makes me wonder.

[fallujah-nuker]

...John Lott's research has determined there are between 1-2 million incidences of legitimate self/property-defense every year using firearms but without a single shot fired...

Several of those incidents involve Doug's brother.