Posted on 12/25/2005 3:49:06 PM PST by neverdem
Five years ago an elderly Los Angeles woman who had agreed to move out of her daughter's apartment bought a handgun. She cleared the background check, passed the safety test and practiced on targets at the local shooting range. Then she shot and killed her daughter and her daughter's fiance -- my brother David.
As someone who has lost a member of my family to gun violence, I see the new federal legislation to limit gun manufacturers' liability as unconscionable beyond my ken. But what troubles me most is that the gun control lobby is pouring its resources into battles that probably won't save many lives -- and we're losing even those.
In the past decade, states have passed law after law to require safety locks, force gun-purchase waiting periods, trace bullets back to their sources and allow victims to sue manufacturers for negligence. That such measures have produced at best slight decreases in the rate of gun deaths is hardly surprising, because only 3 percent of gun deaths are accidents, and most murderers own their handguns legally and know how to use them safely. California has passed a raft of such laws in the past five years and
is widely praised as one of the most progressive states on gun control. In that same period, the number of handgun-related homicides has fallen and then risen again, with no correlation whatever.
The real problem is not that handguns aren't safe or well-regulated enough, or that you can't sue and try to bankrupt a corrupt manufacturer after someone you love has been killed. The problem is that 60 million people in the United States own handguns. The gun used to kill my brother was a Glock 19, a light and portable semiautomatic. These guns are designed to kill people: That's their...
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Must be something wrong with my semi-auto handguns. None of the them has ever killed anything, let alone a person. Neither have any of my long guns, except one. I have hunted pheasants with the Browning BPS pump shotgun. I didn't get many withit compared to how many I got with it's predecessor, a 20 pump marked by Sears. Yes Virginia, Sears not only sold guns, they had their own "house brand" of both guns and ammunition.
Exactly!
Actually, we know no such thing. Quite the opposite in fact. The historical record is quite clear, "More guns = Less Crime", and less deaths". Of the remaining deaths, the balance is changed, more bad guys less good guys. And that is a "Good Thing". IMHO at least.
A gun is made to propel a projectile, with some degree of accuracy and speed. What that projectile hits, or if it's even launched is up to the human operator.
The Constitution gives the people the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, just as it gives the people the freedom of speech and the other freedoms of the bill of rights.
The Constitution by it's very terminology, does not give or grant rights, it protects them. People are, as Thomas Jefferson put in the Declaration of Independence, "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights".
I would be that the manner of conveyance this mother used when she purchased a handgun, was an automobile. She probably used the same vehicle to apply for permit/licens/registration, and use that same vehicle to repeatly drive to and from a practice range.
Without the vehicle, sold to her without regard to its purpose, this incident is likely to have never happened.
I posted that once and some liberal limp wristed gun grabber complained and the Mod deleted my post. Ticked me off at the time but I finally got over it. lol
Even if her figures are correct, so what? To me the only statistic that counts is the one that occurs in my home. I can either be the one in 160 that uses my gun for legitimate self defense, or I can be one of the 12,000 people killed by someone else's gun. The person who is responsible for her brother's death is her mother, sue her ass for using the gun improperly. Typical liberal, wants to put the blame on someone else.
The problem is you are an idiot.
"A chip that monitors the persons excitement level...esp anger."I like that idea.
"I can either be the one in 160 that uses my gun for legitimate self defense, or I can be one of the 12,000 people killed by someone else's gun."
And not surprisingly she concentrates on the statistics involving only deaths to create the large disparity. John Lott's research has determined there are between 1-2 million incidences of legitimate self/property-defense every year using firearms but without a single shot fired. And she ignores murder in Great Britain committed with other weapons as if they're not important.
I just received an email from a FReeper who raised a good point. He does not put things like bumper stickers on his car because he doesn't want his car keyed.
This is a baseless fear. By the same argument that the cops will prevent personal violence to the citizen, it is also true that the nice officers will be there to prevent the violence prone Liberals from becoming excited and keying cars with bumper stickers they don't agree with.
Trust the nice ossifer - he/she/it is there to protect YOU.
;-)
It's safe because...well... they are unarmed. Once they get all the guns, you'll be safe to off too. :-(
And that does not include the number of times a bad guy decides to move on because he thinks his victim might be armes. The single best thing about right to carry laws is that bad guys never know who is or is not carrying.
"...agreed to move out of her daughter's apartment...Then she shot and killed her daughter and her daughter's fiance -- my brother David."
An "elderly" woman moved out of her daughter's apartment? Why, was her daughter and her husband cruel to her? Why would and elderly woman move outta an apartment unless there was some sort of conflict between her and her daughter and / or her husband?
Why did she shoot both of them? Something doesn't add up.
"...gun violence...gun manufacturers' liability...manufacturers for negligence..."
"gun violence"
First off, how about violence itself, be it gun, knife, auto, baseball bat, frozen turkey's, pushing off a cliff, drowning, etc., etc., etc? By singling out only violence by someone using (or misusing) a gun, is IMHO condoning all other forms of violence.
"...gun manufacturers' liability...manufacturers for negligence..."
I work as a mechanic and if I do something stupid like drop a hammer on my foot or burn myself on an exhaust manifold. I don't sue the company that manufactured the hammer or sue the company that manufactured the exhaust manifold, no I call myself a schmuck hobble over to the bench and take care of the problem. I never had and never will sue anyone or any company because of an act of stupidity that I and I alone am responsible.
Today we have people suing companies for all sorts of ridiculous reasons. If say Glock had manufactured a weapon with serious defects in it and it exploded in someones face maiming or killing them, then yes I say say sue the hell outta them. However, if one were to look down the barrel of a fully loaded weapon with ones finger on the trigger and the weapon goes off, then its the fault of the imbecile that had possession of said weapon.
I say if this yoyo truely believes that all guns are evil, then she shouldn't be a hypocrit. Hang one of these signs up in her yard or on the door of her apartment.
As long as the murderer abortion doctor doesn't use the evil gun, than I guess they feel its okay.
This sentence says more that the rest of the article. Before a gun was purchased there were already issues with this old lady and her daughter. The cause of death was gunshot, the reason was the old lady or the daughter was mentally ill. Without a gun, the old lady might have just torched the joint with the daughter in it.
This isn't gun violence, but the violence of the mentally ill that we have let out since the Community Mental Health Services act of 1963.
Sorry , but your wrong here. The Constitution doesn't give you jack. It SECURES your right to keep and bear arms. There is a BIG difference.
Good questions. I did a search and can't find a story like this on the web - woman and her fiance David killed by mother in Los Angeles. Hardly definitive, but it makes me wonder.
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