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Mom Fights Downloading Suit on Her Own
AP via Yahoo! ^ | Sunday, December 25, 2005 | JIM FITZGERALD

Posted on 12/25/2005 3:39:47 PM PST by Momaw Nadon

WHITE PLAINS, New York - It was Easter Sunday, and Patricia Santangelo was in church with her kids when she says the music recording industry peeked into her computer and decided to take her to court.

Santangelo says she has never downloaded a single song on her computer, but the industry didn't see it that way. The woman from Wappingers Falls, about 80 miles north of New York City, is among the more than 16,000 people who have been sued for allegedly pirating music through file-sharing computer networks.

"I assumed that when I explained to them who I was and that I wasn't a computer downloader, it would just go away," she said in an interview. "I didn't really understand what it all meant. But they just kept insisting on a financial settlement."

The industry is demanding thousands of dollars to settle the case, but Santangelo, unlike the 3,700 defendants who have already settled, says she will stand on principle and fight the lawsuit.

"It's a moral issue," she said. "I can't sign something that says I agree to stop doing something I never did."

If the downloading was done on her computer, Santangelo thinks it may have been the work of a young friend of her children. Santangelo, 43, has been described by a federal judge as "an Internet-illiterate parent, who does not know Kazaa from kazoo, and who can barely retrieve her email." Kazaa is the peer-to-peer software program used to share files.

The drain on her resources to fight the case — she's divorced, has five children aged 7 to 19 and works as a property manager for a real estate company — forced her this month to drop her lawyer and begin representing herself.

"There was just no way I could continue on with a lawyer," she said. "I'm out $24,000 and we haven't even gone to trial."

So on Thursday she was all alone at the defense table before federal Magistrate Judge Mark Fox in White Plains, looking a little nervous and replying simply, "Yes, sir" and "No, sir" to his questions about scheduling and exchange of evidence.

She did not look like someone who would have downloaded songs like Incubus' "Nowhere Fast," Godsmack's "Whatever" and Third Eye Blind's "Semi-Charmed Life," all of which were allegedly found on her computer.

Her former lawyer, Ray Beckerman, says Santangelo doesn't really need him.

"I'm sure she's going to win," he said. "I don't see how they could win. They have no case. They have no evidence she ever did anything. They don't know how the files appeared on her computer or who put them there."

Jenni Engebretsen, spokeswoman for the Recording Industry Association of America, the coalition of music companies that is pressing the lawsuits, would not comment specifically on Santangelo's case.

"Our goal with all these anti-piracy efforts is to protect the ability of the recording industry to invest in new bands and new music and give legal online services a chance to flourish," she said. "The illegal downloading of music is just as wrong as shoplifting from a local record store."

The David-and-Goliath nature of the case has attracted considerable attention in the Internet community. To those who defend the right to such "peer-to-peer" networks and criticize the RIAA's tactics, Santangelo is a hero.

Jon Newton, founder of an Internet site critical of the record companies, said by e-mail that with all the settlements, "The impression created is all these people have been successfully prosecuted for some as-yet undefined 'crime'. And yet not one of them has so far appeared in a court or before a judge. ... She's doing it alone. She's a courageous woman to be taking on the multibillion-dollar music industry."

Santangelo said her biggest issue is with Kazaa for allowing children to download music without parental permission. "I should have gotten at least an e-mail or something notifying me," she said. Telephone and e-mail messages seeking comment from the Australia-based owner of Kazaa, Sharman Networks Ltd., were not returned.

Because some cases are settled just before a trial and because it would be months before Santangelo's got that far, it's impossible to predict whether she might be the first to go to trial over music downloading.

But she vows that she's in the fight to stay.

"People say to me, `You're crazy. Why don't you just settle?' I could probably get out of the whole thing if I paid maybe $3,500 and signed their little document. But I won't do that."

Her travail started when the record companies used an investigator to go online and search for copyrighted recordings being made available by individuals. The investigator allegedly found hundreds on her computer on April 11, 2004. Months later, there was a phone call from the industry's "settlement center," demanding about $7,500 "to keep me from being named in a lawsuit," Santangelo said.

Santangelo and Beckerman were confident they would win a motion to dismiss the case, but Judge Colleen McMahon ruled that the record companies had enough of a case to go forward. She said the issue was whether "an Internet-illiterate parent" could be held liable for her children's downloads.

Santangelo says she's learned a lot about computers in the past year.

"I read some of these blogs and they say, `Why didn't this woman have a firewall?' she said. "Well, I have a firewall now. I have a ton of security now."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: computer; download; downloading; filesharing; industry; kazaa; mom; mp3; peertopeer; riaa; sharing
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1 posted on 12/25/2005 3:39:49 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon

Chances are they found her because she was making them available for anyone to download. She was distributing copyrighted material.


2 posted on 12/25/2005 3:41:57 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I think the point is that "she" wasn't doing it.


3 posted on 12/25/2005 3:46:46 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: AppyPappy

Even if she did not download the material, it was her computer and she is responsible for it’s use. If a guest (or repairman, salesman…) comes into your home and leaves illegal narcotics you are responsible. If a red light camera takes a picture of your car running a red light you are responsible. It’s the easy way out for the courts.


4 posted on 12/25/2005 3:46:58 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
FYI and discussion

I "download" stuff to my computer all the time and I never wear a suit. If she wants to wear one then fine but I don't understand why she is fighting with a suit she wears while working on the computer. The suit is an inanimate object and there is no sense in fighting with it.

(Just some quick discussion)

5 posted on 12/25/2005 3:50:46 PM PST by TexGuy
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To: Momaw Nadon
This is like the parent whose kid charges $5000 on a cell phone saying that they don't owe the bill.

I feel sorry for the lady.... but as they say ... posession is 9/10's of the law.

6 posted on 12/25/2005 3:51:45 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Momaw Nadon
Santangelo said her biggest issue is with Kazaa for allowing children to download music without parental permission. "I should have gotten at least an e-mail or something notifying me," she said.

Sounds to me like she knows one or more of her 5 children ages 7 - 19 were downloading the music on her computer. How are the people who operate Kazaa supposed to know who is using her computer and tell them to get parental permission? Isn't that the parents' responsibility just the same as it is the parents's responsibility when a child uses the parents' phone to run up a big bill for LD calls?

7 posted on 12/25/2005 3:53:11 PM PST by penowa
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To: Momaw Nadon

Screw it. Just buy the music from Russian mp3 sites. Like $1.50 per album or less, and it's legal.

These morons have better things to do than screw moms and college students.


8 posted on 12/25/2005 3:53:31 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Momaw Nadon

for the typical american, there is more abuse of your right to privacy in these RIAA cases - then there is with the Patriot Act.


9 posted on 12/25/2005 3:55:44 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Momaw Nadon

Hm: "Her travail started when the record companies used an investigator to go online and search for copyrighted recordings being made available by individuals. The investigator allegedly found hundreds on her computer on April 11, 2004."

Much is left unsaid about how the investigator determined that the downloaded songs resided on her hard disk. The implication is that the actual files were determined to be on her computer, as compared to her computer being identified by download logs or IP address.

If, then, the files were found on her hard disk by some guy snooping (very easy to do if you're connected directly to a cable or DSL connection without a firewall and haven't buttoned-down your computer's file-sharing), then this raises all sorts of interesting questions. For starters, I thought such trespassing was a second-class Federal felony. If it isn't, it should be.

Meanwhile, IANAL, but it would seem to be established legal precedent that the owner of a device (say, a car) is liable for the misdeeds of anyone using it, so Santangelo's defense that it-wasn't-her-who-did-the-downloads would be a non-starter.


10 posted on 12/25/2005 3:55:52 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: Momaw Nadon
If the RIAA breaks into a computer using the internet, have they committed a crime? If so, is the RIAA liable for damages and criminal prosecution?
11 posted on 12/25/2005 4:00:19 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: Momaw Nadon
I'm glad she decided to fight RIAA and the music industry bullies. You shouldn't agree to never stop doing something you never did in the first place just to avoid being sued. I agree people shouldn't download copyrighted songs without permission but this case isn't about that all; its about RIAA picking on someone they thought wouldn't fight back. It looks like they got more than they bargained for - a victim who is costing them time as well as money. Who says there isn't just in the world? One mom is telling RIAA to shove it.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

12 posted on 12/25/2005 4:01:44 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kjam22

I'm torn between feeling sorry for her and not trusting that what she says is true. She may have let her kids download music, and her so-called "internet illiteracy" is her excuse. Of course, the kids could have downloaded w/o her knowledge, too, and wouldn't dare tell her.


13 posted on 12/25/2005 4:03:37 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: Theresawithanh

You may be right. She may have known all along that her kids were downloading music.


14 posted on 12/25/2005 4:05:41 PM PST by kjam22
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To: CheyennePress

Or, better yet, download them from usenet.

FT-RIAA.


15 posted on 12/25/2005 4:05:42 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: oceanview
for the typical american, there is more abuse of your right to privacy in these RIAA cases - then there is with the Patriot Act.

That is the best point ever made about this. If the RIAA is going to illegally UL a program to a computer w/out the owner permission, seems as though they are invading someone's privacy and that in itself is illegal.

16 posted on 12/25/2005 4:06:19 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Her former lawyer, Ray Beckerman, says Santangelo doesn't really need him.

$24,000 later...No wonder lawyers have such a bad reputation

17 posted on 12/25/2005 4:08:20 PM PST by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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To: Go Gordon

Yeah....what he means is he knows he isn't going to get paid anymore.... and he has no chance of winning this suit.


18 posted on 12/25/2005 4:09:31 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Momaw Nadon
Months later, there was a phone call from the industry's "settlement center," demanding about $7,500 "to keep me from being named in a lawsuit," Santangelo said.

I think this is usually called extortion.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 12/25/2005 4:09:42 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Momaw Nadon

I have so little sympathy for the RIAA, that had I been on the jury I would never convict someone they sued.


20 posted on 12/25/2005 4:12:53 PM PST by winner3000
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