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To: bray
I'll try to reach you again with exactly where it is that I am coming from.. I do not want to give up one single inch we have left in our dwindling positions within our culture.. That said, I believe that there are things that we feel are so important that we do great harm to the fabric of our nation by not doing whatever we can to stop the dangerous drift..

The abortion issue is one of them, it is absolutely horrendous to allow wanton murder of innocent babies for the inconvenience of a amoral mother. That said, have you been to an orphanage lately.. There aren't many left that allow visitors, and those that do aren't very busy.. No, more of the unwanted children in our society are in foster homes, many in a far worse environment than we wish to admit.. The foster care system has become an insidious business in too many cases.. The children are treated as chattel and pass through these places with amazing frequency.. Most children that reach the age of 6 are doomed, and those that are in anyway defected with any abnormalities as minor as poor eyesight are totally overlooked.. Now imagine a drug dependent child, with a lifetime of medical problems, or a baby that has been mistreated and damaged in any way.. NOT EVEN A PRAYER IN SCHOOL OR ANYWHERE ELSE IS GOING TO SAVE THIS CHILD FROM A LIFE OF DREAD AND SADNESS..

I'm sorry bray, I really must be a liberal if I cannot understand why the unloving parent should be made to deliver an unwanted baby without a better plan than this!

122 posted on 12/24/2005 10:57:55 AM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com,)
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To: carlo3b
 The abortion issue is one of them, it is absolutely horrendous to allow wanton murder of innocent babies for the inconvenience of a amoral mother. That said, have you been to an orphanage lately.

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 NOT EVEN A PRAYER IN SCHOOL OR ANYWHERE ELSE IS GOING TO SAVE THIS CHILD FROM A LIFE OF DREAD AND SADNESS.

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I'm sorry bray, I really must be a liberal if I cannot understand why the unloving parent should be made to deliver an unwanted baby without a better plan than this!

I cannot agree with you even fractionally.  Have you ever thought that its exactly the acceptance of abortion which causes the children to be in such a sad condition.  When abortion is prevalent, life is less sacred. When people think "those children should have been aborted" and are less likely to care for them.  If their life is so dreadful that they would be better off dead why not just go along with Peter Singer and practice infanticide.

Put simply.  The problem with "unwanted children" is the unwanted part not the children part.  Abortion eliminates the children but increases the unwanted.  Proper, ethical solutions require us to eliminate the unwanted, not the children.

131 posted on 12/24/2005 11:14:22 AM PST by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: carlo3b
The foster care system has become an insidious business in too many cases.

It is. That is why, seven years ago, we attended one meeting and never came back. We got us a Russian (Siberean) for a lot less trouble than the state of Tennessee promised us.

I wish I could have brought a dozen home. When I was there, one couple from Texas was getting six.

132 posted on 12/24/2005 11:19:30 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: carlo3b

Your the one who wanted to start a dialogue. So what if many of us do not agree with your positions. Many unwanted kids turn out to be pretty special.

Do you have any idea what abortion does to women? The rates of drug addiction and suicide soar after the woman realizes she killed her child. Not to mention that it is a form of genocide. But hey, those 40 million babies didn't choke the foster care system.

As for homosexual marriage, surely you will agree that we need to treat AIDS as a venereal disease.

Merry Jesus' Birthday


189 posted on 12/24/2005 2:35:14 PM PST by bray (Merry Christmas Iraq)
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