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China recruiting U.S. IT grads
World Tribune.com ^ | December 23, 2005

Posted on 12/23/2005 9:39:43 PM PST by wallcrawlr

China's rapid economic expansion has allowed Beijing to fund a recruitment drive targeting some of the best and brightest IT graduates from U.S. universities, according to Chinese sources.

In turn, this brain trust is being used by China both as a control on its own Internet revolution and as a potential resource for North Korea' cyberwar program.

South Korea’s defense ministry said North Korean hackers are targeting the most tightly-guarded systems of that country's main foes to extract intelligence information and to spread viruses capable of wiping out material or, at least, slowing down computers.

Defense officials said privately that North Korea, with no great pool of computer whizzes from which to select, is relying on Chinese aid and advice to train some 600 qualified hackers in five years.

One Hong Kong-based specialist said China has a budget for hiring the best IT graduates from U.S. universities to monitor and control Internet news reporting, and useage within its own borders as well as for a national security resource. "They've got the money, and they are spending it," he said.

In North Korea, the campaign ranks as a priority for Kim Jong-Il, who whetted his appetite for computer skullduggery during visits to China and Russia several years ago. Kim made a point of visiting computer labs in both countries and decided that all North Koreans should somehow become adept at operating computers even though Internet access is forbidden except for the highly privileged elites.

Those having access include Kim Jong-Il’s closest relatives, friends and allies, notably from the armed forces, as well as extremely well-trained technicians who had to pass strenuous tests of loyalty before being accepted into the elite computer course.

Students are studying in China and also at an academy that South Korean officials say has been educating a cadre of elite technicians for more than 20 years in a remote mountainous region.


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I saw this posted on drudge.

So, how much $$ would it take for you to work for the communists?

Would it be ok for me to think of these IT grads as having dubious if not treasonous behavior??

1 posted on 12/23/2005 9:39:44 PM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr
Probably registered democrats who think they promoting world peace are signing up.
2 posted on 12/23/2005 9:47:04 PM PST by Nateman
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To: wallcrawlr

Depends on whether or not the CIA approached me with an offer I couldn't refuse. ;-)


3 posted on 12/23/2005 9:47:39 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: wallcrawlr

make sure they know their citizenship and future visas will be declined upon accepting this offer.


4 posted on 12/23/2005 10:10:08 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: wallcrawlr; A. Pole; ninenot; neutrino; snowsislander; oceanview

How about a Walmart Roll Back special? Buy our goods so the Chinese can buy our minds....they already own our souls.


5 posted on 12/23/2005 10:31:27 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: wallcrawlr
There are many who wouldn't go to China no matter the price (due to a mix of proximity issues, for example distance from family and hearth as well as the cultural divergence encapsulated in the shift, although I doubt patriotism would be very high on the list sadly). There are also many who would pack and leave if the salary included sufficient zeroes after a positive integer (as long as the first integer is not a zero). Let me say many IT grads fresh out of campus would probably sniff out such offers pretty fast if they started around 80K.

Who knows, if the Chinese do not want the very best they could probably offer 50K and still get more applicants than there are Chinese spies at a Falun Gong rally!

However at 80K the Chinese could probably have a good slew of candidates to pick from, as long as they are fresh out of school. In the late 90s no, now definitely. If the Chinese government wanted to really pepper the deal with pixie dust they could raise it to 150K (and they could afford that easily) and be guaranteed virtually any fresh grad (plus the grad's first born child, and the family labrador thrown in for good measure).

HOWEVER when the article says that it is 'recruting US IT grads' I think that what it means (I could be wrong though) is that the Chinese government is recruiting Chinese people who came to the US to study at top-echelon institutions of learning, and is thus trying to get them to go back to China. I know that the Chinese government has been doing something similar with Chinese professionals who came to the US, got a green card, and are specialists in some field or other. They offer really attractive packages to get these professionals to head back to China. Thus this could be the same thing, whereby the Chinese government is luring Chinese students (who went to illustrious colleges and garnered gilded degrees) to head back after graduation.

I doubt they are trying to get Joe All-American with a 4.0 from MIT, born and bred in the US of A.....unless they want to try and turn him into a spy. They are probably after Chinese Hu, who has a 4.0 GPA from MIT, and who came to the US to study and now that he has graduated is being offered incentives to go back to China instead of remaining in the US.

6 posted on 12/23/2005 10:46:37 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: GodfearingTexan
make sure they know their citizenship and future visas will be declined upon accepting this offer.

I would also consider that once physically in China or NK just saying, "I quit!" is not an option. Getting back home could be very difficult.

7 posted on 12/23/2005 11:01:30 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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>>Defense officials said privately that North Korea, with no great pool of computer whizzes from which to select, is relying on Chinese aid and advice to train some 600 qualified hackers in five years.

It is more and more obvious that North Korea is just a cut-out for China.


8 posted on 12/24/2005 4:10:12 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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Would it be ok for me to think of these IT grads as having dubious if not treasonous behavior??

You're assuming that these are U.S. citizens. A large percentage of IT graduate and undergraduate student are foreigners. U.S. students are staying away from a major where the jobs are all going overseas.

9 posted on 12/24/2005 4:39:56 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: wallcrawlr

I hope we could get some double agents in the enemy's ground.


10 posted on 12/24/2005 4:53:35 AM PST by Wiz
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To: spetznaz

I think you are right about who they are recruiting. Since one of the things they are recruiting for is checking Internet content, the candidate would have to be able to read Chinese. However, if they do find an American to take the job, that American better read his passport - #4 under Loss of US Citizenship - You may lose your US citizenship by working for a foreign government.


11 posted on 12/24/2005 5:50:13 AM PST by Codeograph
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To: wallcrawlr
A question - what's the difference between a free traitor who grasps himself Michael Jackson style and simpers about lower prices to consumers, and an IT grad who goes for the biggest bucks?

If one is a free traitor, they must embrace the migration of U.S. labor to a hostile nation.

Ahh, but what is loyalty to a nation when money is involved? (/bitter sarcasm)

12 posted on 12/24/2005 5:55:21 AM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Wiz

"I hope we could get some double agents in the enemy's ground."

Yup, sounds like a ripe opportunity to get some double agents into the ChiComs Hacker Corps.


13 posted on 12/24/2005 6:59:04 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: wallcrawlr

Its amazing people are willing to become Benedict Arnolds just so they can have alot of money.


14 posted on 12/24/2005 10:34:56 AM PST by Petey139
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To: spetznaz

I think the article may be referring to US Born citizens, Not Chinese Born Citizens studying in a US school, Also most students the Commies send always come back after aquiring first hands experience part of the agreement where the Commies pay for their tuition for the best of the best they have at hand at the best of the best school money has to offer.


15 posted on 12/24/2005 10:39:19 AM PST by Petey139
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Thought they were grad'ing three times the engineers the USA was.


16 posted on 12/24/2005 10:44:32 AM PST by G-Man 1
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To: spetznaz

Also you might get in but you might not get out. Depending on what and how much you know.


17 posted on 12/24/2005 10:48:44 AM PST by G-Man 1
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