Posted on 12/23/2005 8:05:47 PM PST by MindBender26
WASHINGTON, Dec. 23 - The National Security Agency has traced and analyzed large volumes of telephone and Internet communications flowing into and out of the United States as part of the eavesdropping program that President Bush approved after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to hunt for evidence of terrorist activity, according to current and former government officials.
The volume of information harvested from telecommunication data and voice networks, without court-approved warrants, is much larger than the White House has acknowledged, the officials said. It was collected by tapping directly into some of the American telecommunication system's main arteries, they said.
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Thank You NYT!! So we're at war with the Bush Administration?!? You guys are a great help! Let's see how fast you can ring the few mainstream readers you have left, out of that communist rag you belch up every day. You and the rest of the MSM haven't got a clue how pissed you are making the voters of this country. We will be out in FORCE to vote AGAINST every little lefty you are trying to help!
Here's a little hint on how fly over country feels about the stories you've been hyping all year.
We don't give a crap about:
How we got into Iraq, Abu ghraib, Joe Wilson or his wife or who leaked her name, and we definately don't care how the Administration gets their intelligence to stop attacks on this country including torture if necessary.
Scooter Libby should walk and every person responsible for the treasonous stories you produce should do hard time.
Has anyone given the thought to Able Danger being a part of this information gathering project (I refuse to use the spy word)? I have, and maybe why they have not wanted info out about Able Danger.
Neat and interesting possibility?
the difference with able danger, is that it likely involves use of domestic data sources. able danger strikes me as being more like this total information awareness concept. the stuff in this article involving foreign intercepts is really nothing new, its not illegal, its been going on in one form or another for a long time.
Then a judge would rule that that was stupid, just as they reviewed the Pentagon Papers and each individual argument submitted from the government and they weighed whether or not it was actually classified properly based on a national security need. In every case, except for one dealing with then-current negotiations with North Vietnam, they ruled that the information would not impact national security. The information that would impact national security, Ellsberg himself withheld from release to the NYT.
Ellsberg has made clear in public forums and commentaries that he refused to include these volumes in the leak because he feared release would give the Nixon administration an excuse to halt ongoing negotiations for a Vietnam settlement.Here is how Justice Stewart defined the case:
Justice Stewart’s opinion, joined by White, set the standard for what the Supreme Court would countenance for national security-based restrictions on press freedom – disclosure must “surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable harm to our Nation, or its people.” Stewart wrote: “We are asked, quite simply, to prevent the publication by two newspapers of material that the Executive Branch insists should not, in the national interest, be published. I am convinced that the Executive is correct with respect to some of the documents involved. But I cannot say that disclosure of any of them will surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable harm to our Nation, or its people. That being so, there can under the First Amendment be but one judicial resolution of the issues before us.”So if the present or any administration can prove the disclosure of something "will surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable harm to our Nation, or its people" then it can be suppressed even under the Pentagon Papers rule.
Read more here. The quotes above are from there.
Just lock the doors on their buildings until they give up the information.
I'm all for that, 100%. But I won't hold my breath waiting for the spineless Republicans to initiate action against these traitors. They are destroying our nation, and nobody seems to have the guts to call them on it.
Hang the bas_ _ _ ds!!!
If you say so, you are the lawyer. BUT I still believe the NYT knowingly publishing TOP SECRET + information is treasonous or seditious. The US is more vulnerable because of it's release to the public. The leaker gave it to the NYT - their action by publishing is meant ONLY to bring down the Bush Administration and bring more HARM TO THE USA. I think that broke a law somewhere and I would hope that Gonzalez is looking to find such a law and jail someone in the NYT. The original leaker must go to prison. I still find Rockefeller's comment about "pulling the trigger only once" very intriguing and I hope someone in authority is looking into him. Rockefeller Implicated in Plot to Leak Secret War Intel Also see in this link "Democrat Senator Zell Miller of Georgia issued a statement calling the Rockefeller memo "perhaps treasonous."
How could this hold up? The public has no need, nor are they authorized, to know about the workings of the NSA. As a contractor working on NSA contracts, you could not even disclose the names of NSA personnel you worked with.
The NY Times is going to get us all killed. Better that they go under. Here's hoping this whole thing backfires on them so badly that they go out of business.
The NYT is determined to sink ships.
Perhaps the NYT should be required to register as a representative of a foreign government.
That is my understanding from what little I read about it. Able Danger may have been classified, but they were working with publicly available data. The manipulation is what may have been classified, and obviously the end product would be classified.
The libs are so nuts they’re suicidal, problem is they want to take the country down with them.
It's no secret that Rockefeller's are traitors to USA sovereignty, and are active in destroying it, handing it over to the elite unelected and selected within the UN in the name of world government. If they had their way, they would tear up the constitution. Working to destroy this government is important to them, so they can bet back to the task of chiseling away the sovereignty of the USA, turning it's government into nothing more than a powerless illusion to pacify the population, and transfer the real power to the elite in control of the UN.
Aren't the Rockefeller familly the ones who gave the land to for the UN building, or something along those lines?
And one method of this new kind of warfare, evidently, is to recruit a nation's media and turn them into willing traitors.
The New York Times is allied with Osama and Zarqawi. It has become a proud member of The Axis of Evil.
More leaking ping
That is their job. It has ALWAYS been their job.
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