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"But it appears to be deemed problematical only for President Bush, whose wiretaps are said to have caught Iyman Faris, a naturalized U.S. citizen who wanted to bomb the Brooklyn Bridge. "

I guess people would rather if the terrorists had blown up the Brookly Bridge...

And who knows how many other attacks we foiled by listening to the plans of the terrorists.

After 9-11 the battle cry was "intelligence failure", and now when we are gathering intelligence and preventing attacks, Congress wants to dismantle our ability to do this.

1 posted on 12/23/2005 8:03:42 AM PST by FairOpinion
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After 9-11 the battle cry was "intelligence failure", and now when we are gathering intelligence and preventing attacks, Congress wants to dismantle our ability to do this.

The battle cry may have been "intelligence failure", but the message has always been "blame Bush", regardless of the words they use.

2 posted on 12/23/2005 8:06:57 AM PST by kevkrom ("Zero-sum games are transactions mostly initiated by thieves and governments." - Walter Williams)
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I guess people would rather if the terrorists had blown up the Brookly Bridge...

Now that would have made the walk from Brooklyn a little more difficult during the transit strike now wouldn't it?

3 posted on 12/23/2005 8:07:09 AM PST by rhombus
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You must not have read Jeffery Toobin's explanation. The Democrat's don't count because they didn't believe they were violating the FISA act. You see the difference don't you? There is a difference isn't there?


4 posted on 12/23/2005 8:09:27 AM PST by bkepley
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Spot on, short and sweet. This issue should be dead by now.


5 posted on 12/23/2005 8:09:40 AM PST by monkeybrau
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After 9-11 the battle cry was "intelligence failure", and now when we are gathering intelligence and preventing attacks, Congress wants to dismantle our ability to do this.

That's why the President's poll numbers are rising. The media and the Democratic leadership may think they can get some mileage out of trying to play both sides, but the American people aren't buying it.

6 posted on 12/23/2005 8:10:10 AM PST by Steel Wolf (* No sleep till Baghdad! *)
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The ink on FISA was barely dry when the first president to order extrajudicial surveillance -- a Democrat -- did so. Jimmy Carter exercised his authority on May 23, 1979 with Executive Order #12139, seven months after signing FISA into law, declaring that "the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order," subject to the section's requirements. The order cites a FISA section helpfully titled "Electronic Surveillance Authorization Without Court Order."

Which part of this don't the left get?


7 posted on 12/23/2005 8:12:01 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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The really sad part is that the Dems used their power to spy on political enemies. The Repubs used it to spy on terrorists. Just a tiny difference!


8 posted on 12/23/2005 8:12:28 AM PST by generally
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Can Democratic presidents order wiretaps on U.S. soil without a court order, but not Republicans?

For the Dems? .. yes

Because for them and their greed for power trumps national security and american lives

9 posted on 12/23/2005 8:12:54 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: FairOpinion; kevkrom; rhombus; bkepley; monkeybrau; Steel Wolf; Peach

Do you want to know why the Dems are so bent out of shape over this? Two reasons.

1. They have something to hide (adultery, porn addiction, bribe-taking, whatever).

2. They know that they have used it to get the dirt on political enemies and since that is what they did or would do, they assume that everyone else is just as corrupt as they are.

BTW, in principle, I'm against a blanket ok on spying, eavesdropping, etc, but I'm in favor of authorizing it for specific purposes such as watching terrorists, drug dealers, organized crime.


12 posted on 12/23/2005 8:17:41 AM PST by generally
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I'm just furious at the 'Rats for this constant, steady assault on everything we've done since 9/11/01. News this morning is that Daschle is now claiming the 'Rats never knew what they were signing, and so on and so on--it never stops.

On the plus side, it doesn't seem to be playing well with the public, because the President is polling very well since he started speaking out. He just needs to keep responding to their lies; otherwise, the public will side with the 'Rats.

This editorial in the Washington Times is excellent, and I can only wish it could be published in all the papers and "news" magazines.


13 posted on 12/23/2005 8:19:50 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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I guess people would rather if the terrorists had blown up the Brookly Bridge...

Maybe they'll get the NY Times building...

17 posted on 12/23/2005 8:26:03 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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bttt


19 posted on 12/23/2005 8:28:14 AM PST by timestax
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Sauce for the Democrat goose apparently is not for the Republican gander.


21 posted on 12/23/2005 8:30:26 AM PST by Plutarch
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For all those travelling over Christmas, you might want to inform the TSA that they cannot search you and your bags without a warrant. Also, if you are shipping/receiving items from overseas, feel free to ignore any Customs forms...ha ha...


24 posted on 12/23/2005 8:32:31 AM PST by ottothedog (Forbes 2008)
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