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To: gondramB; jennyp; Tribune7

Is there any other motvation?

Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong (Miller Urey, the Finches).  Oh, and probably the total lack of any evidence of one species turning into another.  But that's it.

Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life, and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor.  It's rock solid science and questioning it is like questioning heliocentrism.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

7 posted on 12/22/2005 1:51:06 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

"Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism"

There are thousands of scientific theories..how man y of these people are also trying to force schools to teach other scientific issues one way or another? Their interest in this issue is that they think it contradicts their religion.

Evolution and Christianity are not in conflict...which makes this particularly sad.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 1:53:49 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong (Miller Urey, the Finches)."

1) Miller Urey experiment: A successful attempt to show that certain organic compounds can be formed in the conditions of the early Earth. It was NEVER an attempt to create life. Not connected to evolution, but to abiogenesis. Evolution doesn't deal with the origins of life.

2) The finches of the Galapagos; an excellent example of natural selection at work.

"Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life,..."

Nobody is saying it happened like that.

"...and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor."

They do.

" It's rock solid science and questioning it is like questioning heliocentrism."

At this stage, pretty much.
32 posted on 12/22/2005 2:21:39 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Owl_Eagle

"Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life, and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor."

If common ancestry is a lie, then why are chimps or other great apes genetically very close to humans? And why do all living species share genes? And why are we genetically closer to apes than to, say, trees? And why are their different species and genus to begin with? Why are their fossils showing transitional apes-humans? Why do humans from different parts of the world look different? And why weren't there humans back in the time of dinosaurs?

Evolution/Natural Selection is "just a theory" like the theory of relativity, the quantum theory, and the theory of plate tectonics.


61 posted on 12/22/2005 3:29:40 PM PST by sagar
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To: Owl_Eagle; jennyp
it really looks like creationism in the public schools is a loser, at least in Pennsylvania.

That puts creationism in the company of math, reading and history, and just about any subject that might spark independent thought and a suspicion of socialism.

Pennsylvania public schools are among the worst in the U.S.

63 posted on 12/22/2005 3:41:43 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Owl_Eagle
Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong

Gee, really? I've been studying this subject for thirty years, and haven't seen anything like that yet. Perhaps you could list it for us?

(Miller Urey, the Finches).

How in the hell do those cases allegedly "show the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong?" And yes, I've heard the creationist blathering about it, but even if the creationist nonsense on those two cases was correct (and it's not), even *that* wouldn't "show the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong", because those cases aren't even "pillars of Darwinism" -- the mountain of 150 years of accumulated evidence, across multiple cross-confirming lines, is the actual "pillar of Darwinism", and you can't make that go away by trying to kick the legs out from any minor side issue.

Are you sure you know what in the heck you're talking about?

Oh, and probably the total lack of any evidence of one species turning into another.

This is, quite simply, complete horse crap. I myself have seen and verified a vast amount of evidence of one species turning into another.

Are you just parroting creationist pamphlets? Because no one who has followed any science journal for the past thirty years could possibly have missed the massive evidence for evolution, which continues to accumulate daily, and then say something as vastly ignorant as you have here.

Look, if you aren't qualified to discuss a topic, do us all a favor and keep your misinformation to yourself.

Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life,

Wow, you've learned your "science" by listening to the creationists' cartoon-version misrepresentation of it. That's like "learning" about geopolitics by raptly listening to Cindy Sheehan.

and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor.

Yes they do, because there's massively overwhelming evidence for that conclusion.

It's rock solid science and questioning it is like questioning heliocentrism.

Indeed, although many people are ignorant enough to try, because they've read a few creationist pamphlets and think, "now I are an expurt".

67 posted on 12/22/2005 3:56:56 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Owl_Eagle
Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong (Miller Urey, the Finches).

When ID comes up with some "science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong", let us know. By the way, Miller Urey has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution, but you knew that already.

107 posted on 12/23/2005 7:54:21 AM PST by RogueIsland
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