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To: Junior
it did not spring full blown as Athena from Zeus's head (as some creationists evidently postulate). It evolved as a successful self-replicating molecule.

You have evidence of this, where?

If you postulate an intelligent designer, you need to show evidence of such. I do not need to disprove your assertions, I simply need to show such an entity is not necessary.

There is information, despite your unwillingness to acknowledge same, in the DNA. You have not shown, by any stretch of the imagination, that the "entity" is not necessary. There are certain minimums for life, and replication...and they are quite complex. You are, in essence, attributing the "original state" to some sort of "black box" status. And evolution is clueless in trying to explain it.

378 posted on 12/23/2005 7:39:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: LiteKeeper
Scholar Google lists 81 papers dealing with RNA World self-replicating molecules. The papers actually dealing with abiogenesis start about halfway down the first page. Unfortunately, actually accessing the papers may be problematic as money may be involved.

And, by your definitions of "information" (specifically, numbers 6, 7 and 8) DNA does not convey information, as there is no initial mental source, nor is there any will involved. Of course, I also consider your definition of "information" to be creationist bunk, but it is your definition, so that is what we worked with.

383 posted on 12/24/2005 5:37:54 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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