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NYC Transit Union Hints at Pension Deal
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/21/05 | David B. Caruso - ap

Posted on 12/21/2005 10:19:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK - Threatened with huge fines and possible jail time, the city's transit union suggested Wednesday that it would be willing to end a strike that has shut down bus and subway service for two days — if a plan to change workers' pensions were dropped.

The union's suggestion came as millions of New Yorkers again trudged to and from work — some walking miles, others riding bicycles and in-line skates in the morning's 24-degree chill.

The contract covering 33,000 New York transit workers expired last week, and the union called the strike Tuesday morning despite a state law banning public employee strikes.

According to the union president, the sticking point is a proposed change in pensions. The Metropolitan Transit Authority's last contract proposed maintaining a retirement age of 55 but increasing what new hires contribute to the pension plan. New employees would pay 6 percent of their wages during their first 10 years, rather than the current 2 percent.

"Were it not for the pension piece, we would not be out on strike," Transport Workers Union Local 100 President Roger Toussaint said in an interview with New York-based all-news channel NY1. "All it needs to do is take its pension proposal off the table."

As the strike proceeded through a second day Wednesday, state Supreme Court Justice Theodore Jones ordered Toussaint and two of his deputies to court Thursday morning to face criminal contempt charges for ordering the illegal walkout.

Jones has already imposed $1 million-a-day fines on the union, and he could impose individual fines on union leaders and workers as well.

New York's attorney general has asked Jones to fine union officials, and Jones said it was a "distinct possibility" that he could jail them for defying a court order barring the strike.

Union lawyer Arthur Schwartz warned that hauling Toussaint into court would halt the state-supervised mediation and could make a settlement even more difficult.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg also said he didn't think jail was appropriate. "The fines are what is going to hurt. Fines don't make you a martyr and fines you don't get back," he said.

Lawyers for the city began a separate legal proceeding to turn the financial screws on rank-and-file union members, a move that could bring them to court to face charges of civil contempt.

Michael A. Cardozo, New York City's corporation counsel, asked the judge to issue a second order directing union members to return to work. If such an order were ignored, Cardozo said the city could ask for heavy fines per worker — a punishment beyond the docked-pay penalty workers already face.

The fines, at the judge's discretion, could range from a few hundred to thousands of dollars and would come out of the workers' own pockets rather than union coffers.

"We're doing everything possible to make the union obey the law," the judge said, adding that union members need to "realize the economic consequences of their actions."

Meanwhile, the war of words between Bloomberg and the union continued.

"It needs to end, and it needs to end right now," Bloomberg said in a news conference Wednesday, repeatedly lashing out at what he called an "illegal, selfish strike" and questioning how union leaders could claim their walkout would benefit the working class.

"Working people are the ones who are being hurt," Bloomberg said. "The busboy is getting hurt, the garment industry worker is getting hurt, the owners of mom and pop businesses. ... The ones getting hurt the most are the ones who can least afford it. If they don't get paid, they don't eat."

The strike was responsible for a 40 percent decline in business at restaurants, an 80 percent decline in visitors at museums, and a 90 percent decline in customers at the Fulton Mall in Brooklyn, the mayor said. He estimated the city's lost revenue at $300 million to $400 million a day.

Toussaint quarreled with the mayor's saying that union leaders had "thuggishly" turned their backs on New York.

"We wake up at 3 and 4 in the morning to move the trains in this town," Toussaint said. "That's not the behavior of thugs and selfish people."

The judge said he hoped there might be a breakthrough in the mediated talks overnight. Still, the city was making plans to serve legal papers ordering union members to return to work, if approved by Jones, whenever they might be found, from picket lines to homes.

Bill McRae, a bus driver since 1985, said he thought negotiations should have continued — but he still backed the walkout.

"The union executives called for a strike, and we have to do what we have to do," McRae said on Manhattan's West Side. The last city transit strike was in 1980 and lasted 11 days.

Transit officials said about 1,000 transit workers came to work Tuesday, and that they were put to work cleaning and doing paperwork. Toussaint adamantly denied that so many people had crossed the picket line.

On the streets Wednesday, commuters struggled through the first day of winter.

At Pennsylvania Station, railroad officials used bullhorns to corral people trying to board the commuter train lines and closed off a city block to line people up. At Grand Central Terminal, more than 1,000 people pushed to get on shuttle trains to the Bronx.

Isaac Flores, who works at a law firm in midtown, was part of a complicated, four-person car pool.

"They're too spoiled," Flores said of the transit workers. "They want to retire at age 55. They're making more money than a cop."

Myra Sanoguet, who was with him, said they saw a group of pickets during the drive. Just briefly, "we were thinking about running them over," she said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hints; nyc; pensiondeal; transitunion; twu
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1 posted on 12/21/2005 10:19:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Fire them all and see how they like them pensions. ;-)


2 posted on 12/21/2005 10:22:35 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: NormsRevenge
They may as well have hung Santa from the Empire State Building from the neck until dead.

To organize a transit strike the week before Christmas in the city of NY is an unconscionable act.

3 posted on 12/21/2005 10:26:47 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: NormsRevenge
They already make 65,000$ a year and want MORE? You could get twice the quality for half the price. I'd wait until Christmas day to announce I was firing them!
4 posted on 12/21/2005 10:29:49 PM PST by Nateman
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To: NormsRevenge
Nice headline, AP! The TWU's alleged pension "deal" is take pension changes are off the table and we'll stop our illegal strike. What a bargain! Especially when the MTA has pretty much caved most of everything else the TWU wanted.
5 posted on 12/21/2005 10:30:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: oceanview; durasell

ping


6 posted on 12/21/2005 10:38:34 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: NormsRevenge
I would think that those whose health or income was affected by this strike, would have grounds for civil action against the union.
7 posted on 12/21/2005 10:38:41 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Nateman

$65k a year in nyc isn't bad, but it isn't good either.


8 posted on 12/21/2005 10:40:14 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY; Do not dub me shapka broham

Check out the poll numbers. Oddest thing I've ever seen.


9 posted on 12/21/2005 10:41:53 PM PST by durasell
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To: durasell

I read them too. Whacked.

I think this thing is going into the weekend. Merry Christmas!


10 posted on 12/21/2005 10:45:40 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY

People seem to have no particular opinion.


Bloomberg gave one of the most disjointed speeches I've ever heard today -- in that annoying Mr. Moviephone voice. Basically, "The union is doing grave damage, things are okay New Yorkers are tough." Huh?

Very little bitchin' and moaning on the streets.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 10:50:24 PM PST by durasell
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To: durasell; NormsRevenge; HitmanNY
"We wake up at 3 and 4 in the morning to move the trains in this town," Toussaint said. "That's not the behavior of thugs and selfish people."

Contrast that with what one of the TWU representatives told a host on WABC yesterday.

If we ain't gettin' paid, we ain't workin'.

It's as simple as dat.

What altruism!

*prolonged eye roll*

12 posted on 12/21/2005 10:53:05 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; HitmanNY

I'm hearing more attitude and emotion on this site from people in the midwest (the midwest fer chrissakes!) than New Yorkers.

I'm laying in a supply of food and hunkering down until the insanity ends.


13 posted on 12/21/2005 10:55:32 PM PST by durasell
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To: durasell

The 'fire them all' contingent really gets me. Then what? Its early in what is likely to be a cold winter, and we shut down the trains and busses for a couple of months while we train replacements? Silly.

Back in my day, I could go entire weeks without trekking north of 14th street and just walking about. I'm with you.

I will say this, though. I don't think the modern breed of NYer will grin and bear it for long - it's a novelty for a few days, it becomes a cliche for a few days after that, and then it will be considered enemy action by the citizens of the big apple.

As for me, looks like most of my dates will be cancelled if the strike continues - people in the outer boros, if they show up to work at all, are hot to go home after work quickly. I don't blame them. Looks like I'll spend my nyc visit south of 14th street! :-)


14 posted on 12/21/2005 11:02:00 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY

Streets were pretty crowded in midtown this evening, though a lot of the ginmills doing a less than brisk business.

Getting around not that difficult, just a little pricey.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 11:08:40 PM PST by durasell
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To: coconutt2000

Ronald Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controllers Strike & we had replacements on line quicker than anyone thought.

If Bloomberg had the stones to do it, transit could be rolling at reduced speed in a few days and back up to full speed in weeks.

He could be re-elected as often as he wanted if he broke this strike.


16 posted on 12/21/2005 11:21:13 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: durasell

I give it no mind. I'll just lay low, which is what I like to do anyway. :-)


17 posted on 12/21/2005 11:22:20 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: CurlyDave

Where are the replacement transit workers on standby? 'Fire them all' is only coming from immature types who like adolescent posturing.

It's not going to cut it this time.

Some people have to learn that being principled doesn't mean turning off your brain when you enter the room! :-)


18 posted on 12/21/2005 11:23:47 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: CurlyDave

You don't live in NYC, do you?


19 posted on 12/21/2005 11:27:56 PM PST by durasell
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To: NormsRevenge
"Were it not for the pension piece, we would not be out on strike," Transport Workers Union Local 100 President Roger Toussaint said

Liar.

20 posted on 12/21/2005 11:36:52 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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