It's God or Darwin

National Review Online ^ | 12/21/'05 | David Klinghoffer

[21stCenturyFreeThinker]

"Granted, but there are "sciences" that do."

"And should those SWAGs be allowed in science class and text books?"

To the extent that it's well supported scientifically (ie. it's not a SWAG). I just want solid scientific evidence for things that are taught in science class. Until ID produces solid scientific evidence it doesn't belong there.

[js1138]

The Bible doesn't mention any phenomenon that could be explained by a solar eclipse. A darkness lasting three hours does not fit an eclipse, and a solar eclipse cannot occur near a full moon.

There was a solar eclipse in 29 A.D., but it would not have been total in the vicinity of Israel.

[whattajoke]

I would think that NRO would have mentioned it if Jones had been a Bush Appointee.

Ain't creationists great? As always, the author of the article didn't mention he's part of the Discovery Institute gang. He forgot to mention the judge's resume. In other words, he's obfuscated the truth yet again, like all creationists do. I'm loving every second of this thread.

[whattajoke]

Y*u sure do type f*nny.

[Radix]

I do not have time to read the entire article, but I did read some of the words of the Judge involved in this case.

That judge is a complete hypocrite, and he is certainly not an example of what objectivity is, by his words.

[whattajoke]

Bring evolution down to a molecular level and it falls apart. Randomness. Exactly how do you get from A-1 to Z-2000 through random events? The downfall of Darwinism.

I suppose it would be if evolution stated any such thing. DING DING DING, the 1 millionth "end of evolution" claim! Do we (Darwin Central) have a prize?

[aliquando]

I am not an expert on Darwin, but I have read Origin of a Species and Journey of the HMS Beagle. I also have taken a few courses in systematics and classification. I do not know anything about you since you give no info on your page. I am not trying to draw a parallel between Darwin an socialistic principles. I was only trying to debunk some leftist arguments in favor of Darwin. IMHO this is too complex a topic to debate in 5 to 10 sentence rebuttals. At this point I regret ever getting involved with this thread.

P.S. Do I love my niece, or am I only encouraging her survival because she carries approximately 25% of my genes?
Hell, what about my own kids? Food for too much thought.

[whattajoke]

Intelligent Design, creationisim or whatever, is another theory

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. Sheesh, do ou people EVER learn ANYTHING?

[Texas Eagle]

Why is Darwinism considered science? It's pure guesswork.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"BTW, Charles' father was an Anglican minister."

His father was a doctor, not a minister.
http://darwin.baruch.cuny.edu/biography/shrewsbury/rdarwin.html

"Darwin was also a religious man."

Early in life, yes; he died an agnostic though.

Merry Christmas!! :)

[little jeremiah]

later read/pingout.

[H. Paul Pressler IV]

Ain't creationists great? As always, the author of the article didn't mention he's part of the Discovery Institute gang. He forgot to mention the judge's resume. In other words, he's obfuscated the truth yet again, like all creationists do. I'm loving every second of this thread.

I am sure more people would be enjoying this thread if the judge in question had been appointed by a certain former president.

[H. Paul Pressler IV]

Evolution is a theory

Gravity is also a theory but I would not bet that gravity does not exist.

[MHalblaub]

"Evolution does not explain Creation" - Charles Darwin

"Evolution does not explain the diversity and complexity of life on Earthcite>" - me

"ID does not explain anything" - me, too

[PatrickHenry]

Do we (Darwin Central) have a prize?

No prize. We let nature take its course.

"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity."
-- Robert Heinlein

[weegee]

Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion.

Don't allow Atheism to become the state religion (and it is a faith, it asserts that there absolutely is no god).

[weegee]

We have 3 models:
- God created the universe.
- The universe was created and God evolved along with it.
- God does not exist.

Many on the left are opposed to accepting that God "might" have created the universe. I've never heard anyone espouse the second model. That leave thoses who oppose the first model nowhere to go but with the third (no god) model.

[wallcrawlr]

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[weegee]

Atheism is a religion because it claims to have the answers, that it is an absolute belief that there is no god.

Agnostism is accepting of religion in that agnostics admit they "don't know" if God exists or is He does, what the nature of that God is.

I don't accept the argument that they push for a secular (non-religious) society, they push for an Atheist society. Their no god God should not be institutionalized and forced down the throats of the citizens.

[betty boop]

"Safety demands that religion be put in cages," explains Dennett, "when absolutely necessary....The message is clear: those who will not accommodate, who will not temper, who insist on keeping only the purest and wildest strains of their heritage alive, we will be obliged, reluctantly, to cage or disarm, and we will do our best to disable the memes they fight for."

Safety??? Who's safety? His? Is Dennett so delusional that he thinks the Christians are coming after him? Or are joined in a cabal to suspend the Constitution and impose a theocracy? Jeepers, such hysterics....

What a blithering idiot Dennett is.... One gathers he would not be reluctant to use coercion and force so that his "pristine opinion," his superior "meme," can prevail in the marketplace of ideas. I wonder how many people appreciate the closet fascism that lies at the bottom of such statements.

Sigh....

Thanks for the post, Zionist Conspirator!