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To: bobbdobbs
Well, before Christmas, there were winter soltice celebrations --

So what?

All holidays are "invented" in the sense that some humans decided to celebrate them based on some event or belief.

I never claimed anything to the contrary.

Thus the "secular" Christmas is just as much a legitimate holiday as the 4th of July or Trick-or-Treat day.

It's a "holiday" in the sense that it's different from other days, set aside, holy. So, Right, it's a day set aside by those of no belief, to share in the joy of those who do.

But it's not really Christ Mass, for they do not believe. They just feel empty if they don't.

I understand, it must be an empty feeling to be of no belief. And it's no fun to be left out.

Festivus is a perfect way for those people to feel "in" instead of "out".

I don't even mind if they join in. What I do mind is when they try to change what it is into what it isn't.

It ain't a secular holiday. It's ain't Santy Claus day. Further, Thanksgiving ain't Turkey day either.

141 posted on 12/21/2005 12:48:30 PM PST by Protagoras (Many people teach their children that Jesus is story character but Santa Claus is real.)
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To: Protagoras

> I understand, it must be an empty feeling to be of no belief.

Clearly you *don't* understand. But that's ok. The world needs all types.


143 posted on 12/21/2005 12:49:43 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Protagoras

> What I do mind is when they try to change what it is into what it isn't.


Like when the Christians tacked Christmas onto existing winter solstice holidays?


145 posted on 12/21/2005 12:50:38 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Protagoras
"It ain't a secular holiday. It's ain't Santy Claus day"

Dream on! What you would like it to be and what it has become are obviously very different.

154 posted on 12/21/2005 12:54:28 PM PST by wireman
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To: Protagoras
But it's not really Christ Mass, for they do not believe. They just feel empty if they don't. I understand, it must be an empty feeling to be of no belief. And it's no fun to be left out.

Gee, I'm not a "believer" as far as Christianity goes. And I don't feel empty at all. My big holiday happens in the fall, and most of it is spent in a synangogue.

Why do so many Christians feel the need to project emptiness on non Christians? It might be hard for you to understand, but some of us do not feel empty without your religion at all.

215 posted on 12/21/2005 1:37:10 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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