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Sally and Ken Coe put up their Festivus pole. Ken Coe sees it as "no frills, just an opportunity to bring together friends and family." Using a metal pole with no decorations was popularized on the long-running sitcom "Seinfeld."

1 posted on 12/21/2005 11:36:25 AM PST by Cagey
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To: Cagey; Dashing Dasher

I prefer the ancient celebration of Saturnalia.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/saturnalia/


155 posted on 12/21/2005 12:56:24 PM PST by Feiny (Every Time Someone Says HAPPY HOLIDAYS an Elf Dies.)
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"I think it has to do with a need for tolerance and a holiday where you don't exclude anybody."

You mean like Sinco de Mayo, Juneteenth, Kwanzaa, St Patricks Day (grin) and whatever else is out there? Puhleze.

160 posted on 12/21/2005 12:58:40 PM PST by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: Cagey; Dashing Dasher

Saturnalia
In Rome, where winters were not as harsh as those in the far north, Saturnalia—a holiday in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture—was celebrated. Beginning in the week leading up to the winter solstice and continuing for a full month, Saturnalia was a hedonistic time, when food and drink were plentiful and the normal Roman social order was turned upside down. For a month, slaves would become masters. Peasants were in command of the city. Business and schools were closed so that everyone could join in the fun.

Also around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra's birthday was the most sacred day of the year.

In the early years of Christianity, Easter was the main holiday; the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday.

Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century. By the end of the eighth century, the celebration of Christmas had spread all the way to Scandinavia. Today, in the Greek and Russian orthodox churches, Christmas is celebrated 13 days after the 25th, which is also referred to as the Epiphany or Three Kings Day. This is the day it is believed that the three wise men finally found Jesus in the manger.

By holding Christmas at the same time as traditional winter solstice festivals, church leaders increased the chances that Christmas would be popularly embraced, but gave up the ability to dictate how it was celebrated. By the Middle Ages, Christianity had, for the most part, replaced pagan religion. On Christmas, believers attended church, then celebrated raucously in a drunken, carnival-like atmosphere similar to today's Mardi Gras. Each year, a beggar or student would be crowned the "lord of misrule" and eager celebrants played the part of his subjects. The poor would go to the houses of the rich and demand their best food and drink. If owners failed to comply, their visitors would most likely terrorize them with mischief. Christmas became the time of year when the upper classes could repay their real or imagined "debt" to society by entertaining less fortunate citizens.


164 posted on 12/21/2005 12:59:28 PM PST by Feiny (Every Time Someone Says HAPPY HOLIDAYS an Elf Dies.)
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and the airing of grievances

I've decided that the annual Christmas war should be part of the traditional celebration of the season, it's been going on for so long now. I sort of base it on the Airing of the Grievances. I think I will call it "The Sparring With The Infidels." Just something to look forward to, in order to keep Advent lively.

Funny, I always pictured the Festivus Pole as looking something like a coatrack. I don't know if Seinfeld or Larry David thought of incorporating Festivus in to the show, or if it was something Jerry Stiller came up with on his own, but My God, he made it funny.

173 posted on 12/21/2005 1:03:47 PM PST by ichabod1 (Sic Omnia Gloria Fugit)
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To: Cagey

"I've got some problems with you people!"


189 posted on 12/21/2005 1:11:09 PM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: Cagey

I'm not hip enough to celebrate Festivus. Plus, I can't come up with some touchy, feely, ego-satisfyingly smug rationale, like Blake Coe.


213 posted on 12/21/2005 1:36:53 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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feats of strength - like wrestling - and the airing of grievances

Its airing of grievances followed by feats of strength.
218 posted on 12/21/2005 1:46:01 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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"Festivus" is every bit as real, and deserves every bit as much respect, reverence, and political correctness as "kwanza".


233 posted on 12/21/2005 1:54:37 PM PST by LilDarlin (Being very feminine got me this far; it will take me the rest of the way, too!)
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Sally and Ken Coe put up their Festivus pole.

If it were me, I'd be installing the pole in the bedroom. And giving Sally a gift certificate for dancing lessons.

; )

244 posted on 12/21/2005 2:00:46 PM PST by Freebird Forever (If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
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Festivus has equal standing with Kwanza, the black holiday made up in the '60s by a Communist professor at Berkley, I believe. And yet, Hallmark, with a straight face, prints cards for Kwanza. I'm sure they'll do the same for Festivus if they can make a buck off it.


251 posted on 12/21/2005 2:11:59 PM PST by kittymyrib
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With all of the things that now make the Christmas season about political correctness, over-commercialization and greed, it is refreshing that Festivus separates itself from that

And yet, Mr. Coe, you are in no way constrained to incorporate these elements into your celebration of Christmas. You don't need another holiday; just celebrate Christmas the way it was originally meant to be celebrated.

265 posted on 12/21/2005 3:00:59 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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"Grandma was there, too."

Hope Grandma doesn't get run over by a reindeer.

274 posted on 12/21/2005 4:51:04 PM PST by Slip18
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To: Petronski

good grief ping!


287 posted on 12/21/2005 7:59:47 PM PST by cyborg
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My husband proposed on Festivus.

That's why I love him so much.
303 posted on 12/22/2005 6:52:23 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: visualops

See...it's happening. Seinfeld is becoming a religion!!!!

Arrgg!!!!!!

:)


304 posted on 12/22/2005 6:54:55 AM PST by TheStickman
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Invented in 1966 by a Reader's Digest editor

Source?

327 posted on 12/22/2005 8:32:47 AM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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One of the funniest Seinfeld episodes ever, but some people just take things too far.


329 posted on 12/22/2005 8:34:54 AM PST by Casloy
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no frills, just an opportunity to bring together friends and family.

And bitch and gripe at them??? Why in the world would I choose to celebrate this type of holiday? I get enough people bitching at me on a day to day basis. These wackos want to set aside a day to gripe? Nope, count me out

339 posted on 12/22/2005 2:36:27 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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'Festivus' Gains Standing Across Country

If its in the news it must be so.........

If it ain't so yet, the media will make it so.......

344 posted on 12/22/2005 4:23:54 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (It must suck being an Islamofascist.......I don't bring them Christmas presents)
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a need for tolerance and a holiday where you don't exclude anybody."

Who is being excluded? Perhaps those who wish to be?????? I'm sick of this stuff.........

346 posted on 12/22/2005 4:26:04 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (It must suck being an Islamofascist.......I don't bring them Christmas presents)
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