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Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9

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To: mlc9852
Of course humans aren't apes. DUH!

Deceptive sophistry. The common ancestor between humans and chimps was a primate, or in the common vernacular, an ape.

201 posted on 12/21/2005 7:54:25 AM PST by frgoff
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To: narby

Saying "I don't know" is hardly ducking the question. And I believe Genesis is true but it doesn't say how old the earth is. It just says God created everything in the earth in six days.


202 posted on 12/21/2005 7:57:17 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

It says he created humans as humans.


203 posted on 12/21/2005 7:57:48 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: frgoff; mlc9852
Deceptive sophistry. The common ancestor between humans and chimps was a primate, or in the common vernacular, an ape.

From an objective standpoint, humans are apes. We are closer, morphologically and genetically, to chimpanzees and bonobos than either of them are to gorillas.

204 posted on 12/21/2005 7:57:59 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: frgoff

So you don't believe God created humans?


205 posted on 12/21/2005 7:58:23 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Alter Kaker
"And we see organisms evolving all the time to carve out new niches and adapt to environmental pressures."

I know that we have "discovered" them and they are indeed new to us. But how have they been seen to 'evolve'? I know that species are able to 'adapt' to severe environments. But as to actually observing them (especially higher life forms)actually changing in to something else?
206 posted on 12/21/2005 7:59:47 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: mlc9852
It says he created humans as humans.

No it doesn't. You're trying to divine God's methods from Genesis, which is a very dangerous and presumptive proposition.

Genesis isn't a manual that's supposed to teach goatherders all the steps that God took to create the universe. It has a very different purpose.

207 posted on 12/21/2005 8:00:05 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: newcats
What part of the word "proof" do you not understand? All that is conjecture and opinion.

Life is full of conjecture & opinion, thats one thing that separates us from primates and a door knob.

The universe is 12 billion years old is conjecture & opinion. It used to be 9 Billion years old until recently.

208 posted on 12/21/2005 8:00:32 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: mlc9852
It says he created humans as humans.

Of course. Because until He had formed/evolved them into their present form, they weren't humans.

209 posted on 12/21/2005 8:00:51 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Sweetjustusnow
Because, if I'm correct here, isn't it true that everything is actually breaking down?

You need to read up on Entropy.

210 posted on 12/21/2005 8:01:28 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: mlc9852

>>>All creation is related because we are created by the same Creator. Simple.>>>

Yep.

I don't understand why we can't embrace both concepts. That our creator USES evolution in His/Her brilliance of creation.


211 posted on 12/21/2005 8:02:11 AM PST by sandbar
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To: Alter Kaker
"I don't think, because of parallel evolution, that we'll ever be able to say with exact certainty where the point of divergence was."

To go out on a limb for a sec. I do think that if a definitive common ancestral species were found, it will be an Ardipithecus. Ramidus specifically seems (to me) to either be after the divergence (but on the human side) or just a dead branch very close to that point.
212 posted on 12/21/2005 8:03:04 AM PST by ndt
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To: numberonepal

perhaps you could enlighten me?


213 posted on 12/21/2005 8:03:20 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Look, no one has to believe the Bible. But just because I do doesn't make me less intelligent than you.


214 posted on 12/21/2005 8:03:47 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
And I believe Genesis is true but it doesn't say how old the earth is. It just says God created everything in the earth in six days.

Genesis says He created the universe, the earth, and all life on it in six days. That is laughable on its face.

Even twisting the literal meaning of six days to be some other length of time means that you've abandoned the truth of Genesis. Once you do that, you may as well accept the rest of science, including evolution.

Saying that Genesis can't be accepted on the time required to create the universe and all life, but can be trusted on its description the creation of man is contradictory.

215 posted on 12/21/2005 8:04:36 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Okay, well if you don't believe the Bible, that's fine. But why do you think God would lie to us?


216 posted on 12/21/2005 8:04:36 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Strategerist
Humans aren't DESCENDED from Neanderthals, but we're clearly RELATED.

I'd like to know how something can be "related" to another biologically without in some way "descending" from it. Also, I thought "common descent" was an evolutionary principle, with all life eventually traceable to the lower, smaller, or simpler life forms. Not that there is a single evolution story. Which one do you believe?

217 posted on 12/21/2005 8:05:50 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: mlc9852
No one is going to "give it a rest". We have just begun to fight. How you equate this argument with terrorism escapes me.

If you read what I wrote (instead of reacting to the words "Give it a rest"), you would know that I did not "equate the ID argument with terrorism". I simply said that this is too critical a time in the War on Terror to get distracted by sidebar arguments about ID (however valid those arguments might be). An old Armor Officer friend of mine, who had been through a few scrapes in his time, used to say, "picking your fights is fifty percent of winning 'em". Imagine the impact on the war effort in WWII if America had stopped to have a full-blown national debate on social trend that came along: women's skirt lengths, the effects of "swing" music on America's youth, pre-marital sex, or biblical literalism versus a more rational interpretation, etc. I would like to say that American public opinion is so "diverse" and "sophisticated" that we can take any number of topics, from the ridiculous to the sublime in stride, and still have enough attention span left to give the War on Terror its due, but I would have to be totally ignorant of how the public debate over the war has gone to make that argument.

218 posted on 12/21/2005 8:05:56 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: narby

Where does it say he created the universe in six days?


219 posted on 12/21/2005 8:06:04 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yes...you are correct.

Parents need to understand the school choices they make will lead them to one form of preaching or another.

The point of my argument is the PA ruling FINALLY draws the line: Darwinism will be taught in Public Schools.

I never believed it was wise to force Public Schools to teach creationism. There are other schools for that.

What I hope this ruling will do is to WAKE UP parents that a Public School education now has some guarantees.

220 posted on 12/21/2005 8:06:10 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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