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To: Light Speed


You and I see things from the same perspective.

"RUSH: Okay, so when Madeleine Albright laments that we are the lone superpower and that this causes an imbalance, this is what she's talking about, multipolarity?"

The thing is, its like Suvorov said, when the GRU was recruiting traitors, they very often told people they were working for some other country or group---more palatable than the Soviets. So the people knew they were betraying the country, but not too badly.

As I see it, the Russians and Chinese are the only real games in town in the world today (opposing the US). The other Leftists are subordinate to the Russians primarily, though only the top echelons know that.

I don't even buy the Cuban-Russian rift---though obviously the Russians withdrew a lot of aid and the relationship changed.

The Chinese are separate, but much more tightly allied to Russia than people realize. I take Golitsyn's view, which is this. Stalin tried to dominate all Communist parties in the world , causing tremendous setbacks.

In 1957-60, there were a series of high-level conferences in Moscow of high-ranking representatives of all the communist parties in the world (ruling countries or not.) Stalinism was repudiated, once and for all. Good relationships were restored under a concept of flexibility and relative (or absolute, in the case of China) independence.

However, it was decided to maintain the illusion of the Sino-Soviet split to manipulate the West.

This is not speculation on Golitsyn's part. He was THERE---a high ranking member of the KGB who actually came up with some of the key ideas.

In 1961, he defected to the US with his family from Finland, where he was posted.

I believe the Russians, who created most modern terrorism in the 20th century, still run it.

N. Korea, by the way, is a Chinese puppet.


8 posted on 12/20/2005 8:20:01 PM PST by strategofr
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Actually, Golitsyn was a mid-level operative, not a high-ranking one. Golitsyn stated that Harold Wilson was recruited by the KGB when he had sex with Marcia Falkender. In fact, Vasily Mitrokhin (who was really a high-level operative) admitted that they did indeed try to recruit Wilson, but they actually failed. Even Jim Angleton started to wonder if Golitsyn was really all that kosher after three high-ranking Soviet defectors were turned away on Golitsyn's advice and then were executed as traitors by the Soviets - thus confirming they were genuine defectors. However, Golitsyn was not necessarily a nut. His livelihood and even his life depended on his unique usefulness to the CIA. Like many other defectors he lied to puff up his own importance. But he went too far. Basically, he said, "I am the only defector you can rely on. Anyone who defects after me is being sent by the KGB to discredit me." Doesn't that make people wonder if he was a reliable source? So when Nosenko defected, it became a pissing contest. Many people believed in Golitsyn and thought Nosenko was a fake, and vice versa. Several years
later the CIA declared officially that Nosenko was a genuine defector. In fact, I have heard that there were CIA analyists who felt that Golitsyn was actually a KGB mole.


10 posted on 12/20/2005 9:25:16 PM PST by Jacob Kell (NAACP-National Association for the Advancement of Commie Pinkos.)
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To: strategofr
The Cold war .....which was really a proxy war with the 2 main players and their chess pieces Islam and N.K/Indo China.

It has evolved into a smorgasboard for them...as they have network...which has been laid down over decades and assisted by Emperor Clintonius.
so ya...the smorgasboard of World Corporate synergy.
everything from agents in country to U.S. Diplomatic overseas which liasons the corporate meet discretely....[Well hopefully discretely : ) ]

Zbigniew Brzezinski [CFR] and his tour de force work...
*The Grand Chessboard - American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives

The Division and control of Asia/Eurasia.
Not Gravel Tone [Henry Kissinger - CFR]'s.....version of the world and how to rule it.

On a Charlie Rose program a year or so back.....Kissinger comented to Rose that part of the go round in the Arab/Israeli wars was to show/display and prove to the Muslims the superiority of U.S. Weapons and relationship vs Russia and China.
Russia...have just recently risen from itspass out in the vomit after Reagen dropped them like a bare fisted dock fight,
see's them migrating back to weapons sales...with China re envigered aswell.
not helpfull when Treacherous France and Germany dable in back door sales and deciet.

so ya....proxy realities simmering on the stove.

State Dept rescuing Hamas/Hizbullah/Abu Mazen etc,
Sunni legacy from Saudi Arabia.

President Bush bought the world some pause after shaking out A.Q. Khan.

Hundreds of Cruise missiles...some which are nuclear ready in shell and avionics...just waiting for micro nuke warhead.
Israel is probably going to have many more gut wrenching turns aside from Iran.

If Democrats get back in to the Whitehouse.
Assembly lines from VX in Syria to possibly Egypt with the guts to circumvent signatory relationship with the U.S.and start playing seriously with their cruise missile arsenal.

11 posted on 12/20/2005 9:39:15 PM PST by Light Speed
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