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Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized as a Futile Attempt to Censor Science Education
Evolution News.org ^

Posted on 12/20/2005 12:12:16 PM PST by truthfinder9

SEATTLE — "The Dover decision is an attempt by an activist federal judge to stop the spread of a scientific idea and even to prevent criticism of Darwinian evolution through government-imposed censorship rather than open debate, and it won't work," said Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute, the nation's leading think tank researching the scientific theory known as intelligent design. “He has conflated Discovery Institute’s position with that of the Dover school board, and he totally misrepresents intelligent design and the motivations of the scientists who research it.”

“A legal ruling can't change the fact that there is digital code in DNA, it can’t remove the molecular machines from the cell, nor change the fine tuning of the laws of physics,” added West. “The empirical evidence for design, the facts of biology and nature, can't be changed by legal decree."

In his decision, Judge John Jones ruled that the Dover, Pennsylvania school district violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment by requiring a statement to be read to students notifying them about intelligent design. Reaching well beyond the immediate legal questions before him, Judge Jones offered wide-ranging and sometimes angry comments denouncing intelligent design and praising Darwinian evolution.

"Judge Jones found that the Dover board violated the Establishment Clause because it acted from religious motives. That should have been the end to the case," said West. "Instead, Judge Jones got on his soapbox to offer his own views of science, religion, and evolution. He makes it clear that he wants his place in history as the judge who issued a definitive decision about intelligent design. This is an activist judge who has delusions of grandeur."

"Anyone who thinks a court ruling is going to kill off interest in intelligent design is living in another world," continued West. "Americans don't like to be told there is some idea that they aren't permitted to learn about.. It used to be said that banning a book in Boston guaranteed it would be a bestseller. Banning intelligent design in Dover will likely only fan interest in the theory."

"In the larger debate over intelligent design, this decision will be of minor significance," added Discovery Institute attorney Casey Luskin. "As we've repeatedly stressed, the ultimate validity of intelligent design will be determined not by the courts but by the scientific evidence pointing to design.”

Luskin pointed out that the ruling only applies to the federal district in which it was handed down. It has no legal effect anywhere else. The decision is also unlikely to be appealed, since the recently elected Dover school board members campaigned on their opposition to the policy. "The plans of the lawyers on both sides of this case to turn this into a landmark ruling have been preempted by the voters," he said.

"Discovery Institute continues to oppose efforts to mandate teaching about the theory of intelligent design in public schools," emphasized West. "But the Institute strongly supports the freedom of teachers to discuss intelligent design in an objective manner on a voluntary basis. We also think students should learn about both the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwin's theory of evolution."

Drawing on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines, the scientific theory of intelligent design proposes that some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. Proponents include scientists at numerous universities and science organizations around the world.


TOPICS: Editorial; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; darwinianfundies; design; dover; evolutiontheory; faithinscientists; god; id; intelligentdesign; science; scienceeducation
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To: truthfinder9
A legal ruling can't change the fact that there is digital code in DNA,...

Would that be Da Vinci?

61 posted on 12/20/2005 12:56:15 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: jdsteel; Oztrich Boy; truthfinder9
It's funny how the Darwin Fundies in the trial never addressed the science that the ID supporters presented.

Umm.. The ID supporters didn't present any science. In fact, their dissembling icon Michael Behe conceded that ID has nothing to teach yet.

62 posted on 12/20/2005 12:56:22 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

Well, superbrain, I did check. Spent years doing it. Stop embarassing yourself.


63 posted on 12/20/2005 12:56:56 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
I do have a problem with judges deciding what should be taught in schools, how much money should be spent, etc.

A judge in Arizona - a little dictator named Raner C. Collins - actually decided on how much money is to be spent by schools and for whom and he actually ordered that school have to award graduation diplomas to students even though they flunked out.

64 posted on 12/20/2005 12:57:03 PM PST by Dante3
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To: truthfinder9

LOL!!


65 posted on 12/20/2005 12:57:11 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Dave S

I'm sorry, now I'm confused. Do you think the judge should have taken the case or not? It matters not what you and I think the school district should was their time and money teaching kids (unless you live in that district?). Schools teach alot of stuff I think is a waste of time and money.
susie


66 posted on 12/20/2005 12:57:12 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: Dave S
So you admit that intelligent design isn't science

Without intelligent design science would be the most useless of all pursuits--water would boil at random temperatures, bernoulli's principle would work fitfully, the speed of the the earth's revolution would change randomly. It's always surprising to see scientists who would insist that their funding arrive on time, that their observations be independently confirmed, that their job performance be evaluated objectively insist on a randomly mutatiting cellular universe. "We can't have design at the core, boys!"
67 posted on 12/20/2005 12:57:24 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: RonF
Yes, it will. It'll work precisely as it should; find scientific evidence to back up religiously-based assertions and it'll get taught as science. Until then, it won't.

Or you could just go the route of evolutionists and ridicule others repeatedly.

"Why if you don't believe in evolution, you must be a mouth-breathing, myth-believing fundie. Hey, what are you laughing at?! It could happen! No, really!"
68 posted on 12/20/2005 12:57:51 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (When in Rome, yell and complain until Romans do what you want them to do. If that fails, sue.)
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To: truthfinder9

Haha, oh man. Where do you get this stuff?

Modern human beings are apes. You are an ape.


69 posted on 12/20/2005 12:58:09 PM PST by Sols
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To: brytlea

Religion encompasses so much that it seems impossible to teach a lot of subjects without touching on religion.


70 posted on 12/20/2005 12:58:15 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: truthfinder9
Many ID scientists have shown how ID is compatible with Genesis

It's also compatible with the Rig Veda and the Edda. The beauty of ID: one size fits all.

71 posted on 12/20/2005 12:59:12 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Dante3

And there's the problem with letting judges become involved.
susie


72 posted on 12/20/2005 12:59:14 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: Sols

Try studying science. I know it's hard being a victim of the public education system.


73 posted on 12/20/2005 12:59:18 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: Oztrich Boy

They aren't the only scientists who believe in ID. Duh. We aren't saying that all scientists who believe ID is science believe in creationsim. But there are plenty of scientists who believe ID is science and believe in creationism.


74 posted on 12/20/2005 12:59:21 PM PST by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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To: truthfinder9
If you ever decide to get help, you might find this link useful.
75 posted on 12/20/2005 12:59:47 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: brytlea

There was a lawsuit involved, IIRC. Taxpayers don't resolve lawsuits.


76 posted on 12/20/2005 1:00:25 PM PST by dmz
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To: mlc9852

I agree.
susie


77 posted on 12/20/2005 1:00:31 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: AntiGuv

The liberals have government grants to help victims like you. Give John Kerry a call.


78 posted on 12/20/2005 1:00:47 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

No it's not.


79 posted on 12/20/2005 1:01:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Siegfried The Red

OH so any one that does not belive in evolution and belives in ID must be stupid and can not get a job above a fastfood slave? Well I for one do not belive in evolution, and I am a computer programmer (C++) at CMU.


80 posted on 12/20/2005 1:03:24 PM PST by mpop
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