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Bill includes unprecedented flood aid
MSBNC ^ | Dec. 19, 2005 | Elizabeth Chuck

Posted on 12/20/2005 9:29:39 AM PST by JeffAtlanta

Gulf Coast residents could receive federal money for uninsured homes

Gulf Coast residents who did not purchase flood insurance because they lived outside areas considered at high risk of flooding — but whose homes were nevertheless ravaged by Hurricane Katrina — would be in line for an unprecedented government bailout under a budget package approved Monday by the House of Representatives.

If the $29 billion earmarked for Katrina relief in a defense appropriations bill that the House passed Monday morning wins final congressional approval, up to $11.5 billion will go toward those uninsured flood victims in Mississippi and Louisiana. Story continues below

The relief still faces serious hurdles in the Senate. It was tacked onto a broad $453 billion defense budget bill. That bill also includes several unrelated measures that are controversial and could bring down the whole bill, including authorization to drill for oil in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge and compromise language for a ban on cruel treatment of terrorism detainees.

Residents whose homes were in designated federal floodplains were required to buy flood insurance ahead of Hurricane Katrina, which struck the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29. People living outside the high-risk zone were not required to purchase flood insurance but could have done so if they had wished.

That would mean homeowners could receive up to $150,000 for repairing or replacing their flood-ruined homes despite not having flood insurance.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: flood; floodinsurance; katrina
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Story is exerpted.

It is not clear why other parts of the nation have to pick up the tab for homeowners who could have bought flood insurance but chose not to. Why can't the states of LA, MS and AL pick up the tab and borrow the money from the other states if they need to.

1 posted on 12/20/2005 9:29:41 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

"who did not purchase flood insurance."

Great. So why should anyone bother ever paying for it again?


2 posted on 12/20/2005 9:32:06 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: JeffAtlanta

"It is not clear why other parts of the nation have to pick up the tab for homeowners who could have bought flood insurance but chose not to."

Actually, and unfortunately, its perfectly clear: Its called socialism - Now in exciting new Republican flavor!


3 posted on 12/20/2005 9:34:06 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: JeffAtlanta
It is not clear why other parts of the nation have to pick up the tab for homeowners who could have bought flood insurance but chose not to...

It's perfectly clear... it's called pandering!


4 posted on 12/20/2005 9:34:09 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Howlin; Sam Cree; houeto; sitetest; spectre; AzaleaCity5691; Labyrinthos
Sorry for the ping, but here is an update on the Katrina flood insurance situation. This bill is targeted to take care of those outside of the highest risk areas.

It is still not clear what actions will be taken by those that were in the highest risk zones but did not have flood insurance. I imagine that suing the insurance company will be the first step, followed by extending the reach of this bill.
5 posted on 12/20/2005 9:39:24 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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Well.........I am gonna drop my earthquake insurance even tho I live in an earthquake zone in California. Wait, I don't think they will let me.

I am sick of paying for others bad choices.


6 posted on 12/20/2005 9:43:53 AM PST by sheana
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To: JeffAtlanta

I bet those poor people in Florida who were hit by 4 Hurricanes in 2004 are wondering where their aid is??
Seems no-one was asking for goverment coverage for those uninsured people last year.
Wonder why not??


7 posted on 12/20/2005 9:53:08 AM PST by Who Dares Wins
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To: Pessimist
Actually, and unfortunately, its perfectly clear: Its called socialism - Now in exciting new Republican flavor!

The part that is most upsetting is that it is attached to an ANWR drilling authorization bill. Now as conservatives, if we want ANWR drilling, we are forced to accept a socialistic bailout.

It's not clear why ANWR doesn't have its own bill anyway. When gas prices were $1.00 a gallon it may have been unpopular, but at $2.00 a gallon I think that most Americans are open to it if it could be explained to them in an effective way.

8 posted on 12/20/2005 9:55:06 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
It is not clear why other parts of the nation have to pick up the tab for homeowners who could have bought flood insurance but chose not to.

I have two words: Trent Lott.

9 posted on 12/20/2005 9:56:07 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: JeffAtlanta
You ever made sausage?
10 posted on 12/20/2005 9:57:30 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: mewzilla

"I have two words: Trent Lott."

I'm looking forward to helping rebuild Trent's home. Maybe he'll invite me for a drink on the porch.


11 posted on 12/20/2005 10:00:55 AM PST by Gone GF
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To: JeffAtlanta
The point Jeff, is that there is majority approval for ANWR, but RINO Senators keep voting with the Democrats to filibuster the measure. In order to defeat the filibuster, we have to peel away enough liberals to defeat the RINOs in the Republican party.

It is ugly and it stinks, but like sausage, the end result is worth the effort. Thank John McCain for giving Ted Stevens the idea. He attacked his torture bill to the measure and no one cried. Now, Stevens attaches ANWR, and its like he shot somebody.

We will win this one.

12 posted on 12/20/2005 10:01:21 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: JeffAtlanta

You'll have a hard time getting any bill to help out Mobile County through the Alabama legislature, especially considering this area's relationship with the rest of the state (historically frosty, very frosty)

Also the fact that they have already taken losses from Hurricane Ivan, and combined with the fact that Mobile and Baldwin have primarily Republican delegations (as of right now, only one white Democrat sits in the legislature from Mobile County, and he's a freshman, so he has little input) which, in the fact of a legislature that is 63% Democratic, kind of cuts down on our lobbying options.

Then theres the simple fact that there are some people who believe that Katrina was in fact, a form of divine retribution, and when you consider that people in the northern part of the state were raised to believe that those of us on the coast were Godless, and when someone in the legislature goes up and expresses that sentiment, it becomes even less likely that from our own party, you'll see much sentiment to help out areas such as Bayou La Batre or Coden. Especially when there is an incorrect prevailing statewide sentiment that most of the people who lived in flooded areas were wealthy, when that is clearly not the case.

Basically, the only time Mobile ever wins anything in the state legislature is when we tie it to the success of the docks, all other times, they basically flip us off.

As for the other two states, it's not as if they are in a good financial position (neither is Alabama). We don't have the best bond ratios in the world, and in all 3 states, government operates at just getting by, virtually every year.

And in Louisiana, they would have a two pronged problem, if you start handing out state-level aid to Katrina victims of this sort, then there will be howling out in Acadiana as to why they aren't getting anything for Rita.

In Mississippi, the situation is sort of similar to Alabama, with the exception that Mississippi would theoretically have more of an impetus to help the coast as it kind of relies on coastal revenue in a way which Alabama does not as much, (If it were Baldwin, Alabama would have more of an impetus as Baldwin generates much revenue without requiring much back) but even then, there are issues of partisan squabbling, intra-state competition considerations, etc.

And even aside from the fact that all 3 state governments have been run in an idiotic fashion since Reconstruction comes the idea that my money has gone to help victims in disasters that did not affect me, and same for many victims who had substantial losses. In light of that, it's not fair that our money went to help others in times of need, but when it's our time, we won't get any.


13 posted on 12/20/2005 10:05:19 AM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: JeffAtlanta

You have to feel for people who suffered due to their reliance on government info. But naturally the solution to this is even greater reliance on government. IMO it won't end until government has responsibitlity for everything.


14 posted on 12/20/2005 10:07:01 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: JeffAtlanta

"I think that most Americans are open to it if it could be explained to them in an effective way."

There's the rub, I guess. Where's Ronald Reagan when you need him?


15 posted on 12/20/2005 10:18:22 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: JeffAtlanta
Thanks for the ping Jeff. This is from the last thread and there were several others that said the same thing:

In fact, when I purchased my current house and spoke to my insurance agent about my new homeowners policy, I specifically asked about flood insurance. It is unavailable through regular insurance companies, he told me. You have to get it from the Feds. I said, okay, how do I do that? Because you're not in a 100-year or 200-year (I forget specifically) flood plain, you're not eligible for the federal program.

Like you, I took the rider for earthquakes (even though I live in an area that hasn't been hit hard by a major quake in centuries).

But flood insurance is unavailable - at any price - to me.

sitetest

I am confused.

16 posted on 12/20/2005 10:33:05 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Unconstitutional. Davy Crockett is rolling in his grave.


17 posted on 12/20/2005 10:34:22 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: houeto
In fact, when I purchased my current house and spoke to my insurance agent about my new homeowners policy, I specifically asked about flood insurance. It is unavailable through regular insurance companies, he told me. You have to get it from the Feds. I said, okay, how do I do that? Because you're not in a 100-year or 200-year (I forget specifically) flood plain, you're not eligible for the federal program.

I agree that it is confusing. After some research, I believe that both sides are right - they are just stating the situation differently.

From what I gathered from the FEMA website, flood insurance is only available if your community decided to be part of the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP). From the website (www.floodsmart.gov), over 20,000 communities are part of the program.

This is from the website...

What are flood zones?
Flood zones are land areas identified by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Each flood zone describes that land area in terms of its risk of flooding. Everyone lives in a flood zones - it's just a question of whether you live in a low, moderate or high risk area.

From my reading of the website, one does not have to be in a floodplain to be part of the program.

Also from the website...

Moderate to Low Risk Areas In communities that participate in the NFIP, flood insurance is available to all property owners and renters with moderate to low risk.

Zones B, C, and X Areas with less than a 1% chance of flooding each year; areas that have less than a 1% chance of sheet flow flooding with an average depth of less than 1 foot; areas that have less than a 1% chance of stream flooding where the contributing drainage area is less than 1 square mile; or areas protected from floods by levees. No base flood elevations or depths are shown within these zones.

This link defines the flood zones and seems to imply that everyone can obtain flood insurance through the NFIP if their community choices to take part.

18 posted on 12/20/2005 11:07:18 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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I contacted FEMA for a flood map of my area. They are FOR SALE!

No thanks.

19 posted on 12/20/2005 11:11:43 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Keep the gravy train rolling...screw the rest of America...isnt socialism grand! (s)


20 posted on 12/20/2005 11:12:34 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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