- I am ready to destroy the freedom of the press. Why? Because the press seeks to destroy my freedom, my country, my president. This is war.
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Posted on 12/20/2005 7:40:43 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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If you can operate under normal civilian law, you are not yet at war. If warrants and judges and men in suits can handle it, you are not yet at war.
If you are at war, you have moved beyond normal civilian law. War is the state of affairs that exists when civilian law is no longer adequate to the circumstance. That is what war is.
When you declare war, you are making a public acknowlegdement of that fact, and you are putting your own people on notice that for the time being, against a defined threat, you are going to do whatever it takes, you are going to identify the threat, identify its support system, and then you are going to destroy it. You are going to re-shape the facts on the ground, overthrow governments, re-draw borders, push whole peoples from one place to another, and kill anyone who won't surrender.
When the circumstances have been re-shaped, the die-hards are dead, and their pals have given up the fight, when in other words it has become possible to return to civilian law, by definition the war is over.
Yes but the liberals have a short memory. They forgot we are still at war.
Ever wonder if the liberals hate the Patriot Act because it might discover that they take direction from foreigners as to legislative actions?
Ever wonder if we would discover that they are being paid/bribed by foreigners?
Just what do you do when your media is against the leader of your nation? What do you do when your media seeks to abet the enemy?
What do you do when your media leaks national secrets which aid and abet the enemy in his efforts to destroy us?
Nothing? Because you fear that you might be discovered making a drug deal? Nothing? Because you might be discoved participating in an unsavory action yourself? (Note - this is in no way directed at you personally - but just the general attitude of the country.)
I sometimes wonder if all this jabbering about "my civil liberties" is just jargon meaning "my unlawful or unsavory private actions".
That's a reasonable concern--especially when you consider that no politican would ever stoop that low. Our leaders in Washington always have the best of intentions. I mean, the very thought that they would pass a law none of them actually read if it wasn't in the best interests of the nation is just silly.
Exactly how intrusive would the government have to get before you complained? In your opinion, is it even possible for the government to go too far? If so, how will we know when that line is crossed?
Just curious.
"I'm going to keep yelling it from the rooftops. The key point all these reports neglect is that these taps were on calls and e-mails either originating or terminating internationally. This is not domestic spying."
Keep yelling. I tried to explain this yesterday by comparing it to a package delivered from Germany to Chicago. It's certainly not a domestic delivery if it originated from Europe. It's international mail.
The dems know this but by continuing to lie, they hope that more morons will agree to their slant on the argument.
I fully expect that laws and empowerment for the President can be designated with time limits, and oversight restrictions.
But - gee - to do nothing and let the country be stolen right under our noses is so much more ........ uh....safe, I guess.
Corruption is not limited to Washington officials. American citizens are involved in plenty of it but I do not intend to sit by and endanger my family so that they can manipulate the laws to further their corruption.
Maybe they all should consider just following the laws of the land - at least they would not have to fear the government finding out about their activities would they?
I'm going to keep yelling it from the rooftops. The key point all these reports neglect is that these taps were on calls and e-mails either originating or terminating internationally. This is not domestic spying.
To: april15Bendovr
Ever wonder if the liberals hate the Patriot Act because it might discover that they take direction from foreigners as to legislative actions? - This is absurd. As a liberal I take direction from the fact that I see corruption in our midst not "foreigners"....pfft
Ever wonder if we would discover that they are being paid/bribed by foreigners? - Bahahaha...more rediculous assertions.
Just what do you do when your media is against the leader of your nation? What do you do when your media seeks to abet the enemy? - Yeah right most of our giant media corporations DONATED MILLIONS TO GET BUSH REELECTED in 2004! LOOK IT UP. ABC NBC CBS FAUX all donated multiple millions of dollars to get bush reelected....who's left newspapers...comon stop skewing the truth.
What do you do when your media leaks national secrets which aid and abet the enemy in his efforts to destroy us? -What do YOU do when it was the VP and his staff who leaked it to the media (Plamegate)???
If one of the parties is in the U.S., then it's domestic spying. And your statement isn't necessarily true.
A surveillance program approved by President Bush to conduct eavesdropping without warrants has captured what are purely domestic communications in some cases, despite a requirement by the White House that one end of the intercepted conversations take place on foreign soil, officials say.The officials say the National Security Agency's interception of a small number of communications between people within the United States was apparently accidental, and was caused by technical glitches at the National Security Agency in determining whether a communication was in fact "international."
Telecommunications experts say the issue points up troubling logistical questions about the program. At a time when communications networks are increasingly globalized, it is sometimes difficult even for the N.S.A. to determine whether someone is inside or outside the United States when making a cellphone call or sending an e-mail message. As a result, people that the security agency may think are outside the United States are actually on American soil.
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National security and telecommunications experts said that even if the N.S.A. seeks to adhere closely to the rules that Mr. Bush has set, the logistics of the program may make it difficult to ensure that the rules are being followed.
With roaming cellphones, internationally routed e-mail, and voice-over Internet technology, "it's often tough to find out where a call started and ended," said Robert Morris, a former senior scientist at the N.S.A. who is retired. "The N.S.A. is good at it, but it's difficult even for them. Where a call actually came from is often a mystery."
First. FISA allows the President to do all that he did without end running the courts. He just took it upon himself to remove that check to his power. Apparently in contravention of the Fourth Ammendment to the Constitution.
Remember that document. Says that since too much power tends to be bad lets make sure that there are checks and balances on each branch of government so that people don't get trampled.
And saying that "liberal" Congressmen were briefed and they didn't say anything what about that? Well, they are not allowed by law TO say anything. They are simply briefed. They are not allowed to tell anyone about the breifing, including their staff or any outside counsel. They are also not allowed to act on what they have been told in any way. The Senators in question did the only thing they were allowed to do. They both wrote letters to the person that breifed them (Dick Cheney) saying that they had grave misgivings about the legality of the program. This turned out to be a good idea as the President and Vice President did what they intended to all along and said as soon as this story broke that Congress had been breifed on it including some "liberal" Congressmen. Thereby implying that it had been signed off on when it had not.
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You are on the wrong board. This is not a site that will promote impeachment of the President of the United States. In fact, I will be reporting your tagline.
You need to wake up and listen to the truth instead of Democrats Underground. Apparently you have bought everything the dems have sold you for so long you believe them.
Oh, I was going to report you - but see that someone else beat me to it. You are already banned.
Enjoy your ignorance.
There's another one here. They are breeding like rabbits.
I think Dkharma might be Al Queda....
Bump! I haven’t heard Echelon being brought up yet. Haven’t heard of Echelon in a very long time.
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