Posted on 12/19/2005 6:16:18 PM PST by SJackson
New Haven's lawyer says a fight with the adult club could be tough and expensive A "swingers" club opened in New Haven Township despite a new ordinance attempting to regulate adult-oriented entertainment in the rural township.
The town board members and residents expressed disapproval and tried unsuccessfully to discuss the new club with one of its owners at the board's regular meeting Thursday night.
Michael J. Bennin, who along with David Holman are listed as owners of the facility called Club WetSpot, refused to answer questions at the public meeting. He said his attorney, Jeff Scott Olson, was unavailable and several times responded to questions about the business by saying he could not answer questions without his attorney present.
He did say his attorney said the club doesn't fit under the town's ordinance. That ordinance was adopted by the town in September, before the club opened.
The club is listed on the Web site of NASCA, an organization for those who enjoy the "swinging" lifestyle. In a question and answer section on that group's Web site the lifestyle is described as primarily for couples who enjoy sex with those who are not their partners. That can be either with a single person or with groups. It notes that single men and women can attend.
On the local club's Web site, it says that single men need a sponsor for admission. Single women and couples apparently don't. The Web site indicates that people attending should bring their own liquor, but the club supplies mixers.
Town Chairman Bob Krause said he visited with Bennin at the club last week and gave him a copy of the ordinance. At that time Bennin claimed to be unaware of the ordinance, Krause said.
The club, located on Gillette Drive in Adams County, is on the site of a former recycling center. Krause said the property sold for $100,000 and the 12,000 square foot building on it has been partially remodeled for the new club. The club is in about 4,500 square feet within the building. A two-story structure has been constructed within the building, bathrooms have been added, heating added and rewiring, Krause said.
No building permits have been issued for the structure, and they are required by Adams County. Krause also said no well or septic permits have been issued. He said the club relies on a holding tank, but another person at the meeting said he thought new septic tanks had been installed.
The county has not inspected the place, Krause said, because it does not have a certified commercial building inspector. The county's building inspectors are certified for home inspections, he said, and did not want to inspect the commercial site fearing a lawsuit.
The county's zoning administrator was not available for comment Friday.
The town's attorney, Eric J. Pollex said businesses like these are designed to get around ordinances. He also indicated that the club's attorney, Olson, travels the country defending adult-oriented establishments.
"It's (the ordinance) is crystal clear that it applies to strip club and applies to any adult-oriented business," said Pollex, who wrote the ordinance.
Krause said ordinances like New Haven's are difficult to enforce, because the clubs claim they impinge on 1st Amendment rights to free speech.
Pollex said quietly when Krause finished speaking, "if not done right."
"This will be a big fight and it's going to be tough," Pollex told the board. He said he did not agree that the club was "outside the box" set up by the ordinance. The downside of fighting the club's operation would be that if the town loses it would have to pay the club's attorney fees, he said. That could be as high as $500 per hour and could reach $600,000 or more.
Becky and Ken Hutchinson, who live next door to the club and have two children, said, "We don't need this." Becky Hutchinson said the club has a lot of traffic and patrons come out and "talk trash" that can be heard by the children. The Hutchinsons' home is about 30 feet from the club, which has put up a fence.
Ken Hutchinson said that during construction, he was approached and asked if his well could be used. He agreed and was given $100. He understood that the use would only be during construction, but the well continues to be used.
Pollex asked Hutchinson to call him to discuss that situation in private.
Pollex also said he would call or meet with the club's attorney and notify the board of the results of that meeting. He did advise the board to put the subject on its next meeting agenda. That meeting is scheduled for Jan. 19 at 7 p.m.
The NASCA Web site lists seven other clubs in Wisconsin in Kenosha, Oshkosh, Janesville, Madison, Merrillan and Milwaukee.
"They're life's losers. Let em swing and save the hassle, taxpayers bucks, etc...Who really cares?"
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They're also known as bug chasers(STD needy) just like queers who are permiscUous to a fault or eventual HIV death. I call them Darwins runner ups.
It just goes by who owns the property. Unless they are conducting acts of licentiousness in public, well then that could be different. Is that what's being alleged? Or rather, are they just charging money for this business, which is necessarily "public" because the government inserts itself more anywhere where money changes hands to tax whatever activity caused that to happen?
It doesn't sound like a "regular neighborhood," and nothing sounds like it has changed from the outside: From the article:
The club, located on Gillette Drive in Adams County, is on the site of a former recycling center. Krause said the property sold for $100,000 and the 12,000 square foot building on it has been partially remodeled for the new club. The club is in about 4,500 square feet within the building. A two-story structure has been constructed within the building, bathrooms have been added, heating added and rewiring, Krause said.
I know I'm bad, but I say gas can and lighter.
And I say long prison sentence for anyone engaged in or promoting a conspiracy for arson.
I agree: Queers might also be Darwin dead-enders if we just gave them that freedom. Come out of the closet - just enjoy - don't procreate. Done.
So I should go to jail for suggesting in a non-serious vein gas can and lighter?
If people want to screw like animals let them keep their private business private. Like out of the public view, in the privacy of their own bedrooms, stables, and what not.
Okay if you can't move, build a big fence.
Excellent points, well said.
I agree completely. Though unfortunately, it is up to the locals to decide. Just pray there aren't any Machiavellian hoodlums running the township board.
Agree...and by doing in a 4500 square foot building, built inside an existing 12000 square foot structure, around which they've built a new fence, it sounds like they they've done everything reasonably possible to keep it out of public view.
Um...Adams County? I think they have the largest ratio of First Cousin marriages in the state.
Maybe this "Swingers" club will save the bloodline? LOL! ;)
Is it better if you "swing" with a second cousin or an Uncle? I'm a little rusty on my biology...
That town loves the nudists and the swingers.
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Well if you can agree that your gas can and lighter is a non-serious threat, I guess I can agree that they should keep their private business private. Let's shake on it okay?
"and by doing in a 4500 square foot building, built inside an existing 12000 square foot structure, around which they've built a new fence, it sounds like they've done everything reasonably possible to keep it out of public view."
... the same type of reinforced buildings exist in far off foreign lands even in Mexico except they have broken glass cemented at the top of the security walls(Courtesy of The Montel Williams Show), work better than barb wire so rescuers can't help rescue and free the poor abducted girls who've been kidnapped and thrown into sex slavery while they were on vacation.
If you're alleging sex-slavery and abduction then I'll await more facts. Have you notified the authorities? Bust them hard if this it the case.
Neither. Keep in mind that a second cousin would be the child of your first cousin. In other words, you and your second cousin have common great-grandparents.
In most places in the U.S. and from what I know from my PoliSci classes and my rather limited genealogical experience, second cousin and closer is generally considered in American politics, society, culture, and law to be too close to kin for marriage and sex, therefore, any sexual contact is considered to be incestuous in nature. NOTE: I am also not a lawyer or a geneaologist.
As for Adams Co. I can't validate that tidbit, though I do know a few people from college who've lived there.
Alright. I'll be serious. I wouldn't want this perversion anywhere near me, though now I know there's one right in my back yard in Madison.
Oh, Joy. Oh, Happiness.
When will our country be Freak Free? Never? Oh, Ok. I'll just hunker down even more than usual then. Really. I don't mind. Just ignore MY rights as a taxpayer, and stay the h#ll off of my land.
Really. Anyone within reading range just needs to watch their pennies and buy themselves a few acres in the country. That way, while we'll be isolated from the caring, compassionate neighbors we used to have, we can now avoid the freaks that have taken over our local neighborhoods in our respective states.
Divide, divide, divide. Break down our society as much as possible. Pretty soon, we won't even have to talk to one another here on FR and we can all be isolated from one another forever. That makes for a very good country, don't you think? :(
LOL!...(you are joking, right?)
Correction, that would be the child of your parent's first cousin.
A person would have to go undercover in such places like this one discussed in this thread to gather proof. But I'll stick with my cynical, often correct assumption that swingers(sex addicts) are no different than heroin junkies. Their addiction(s) or addictive transference keep growing in numbers and depravity. I read articles and have spoken with authorities and watch many television shows which consistently conclude that, where there's a swinger there's a pedophile not far behind. Remember the VanDam girl in California, her parents were swingers and their free for all sexcapades delivered their own child to Satans own hands. God rest her soul.
Swingers = garbage in, garbage out.
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