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Bush’s Snoopgate
Newsweek ^ | 12/19/06 | Jonathan Alter

Posted on 12/19/2005 4:52:33 PM PST by Xanadu2112

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I recall seeing a Clinton Administration era article claiming to get around CIA, NSA, et al. restrictions on "spying" on U.S. citizens we had an agreement with the British. We'd supply the technology, they did the work.

Unless I missed it the Newsweek employee makes no mention of Echelon or any Clinton "spying" on Americans. I guess it's only our, apparently not his, enemies that he's trying to protect.

21 posted on 12/19/2005 5:06:28 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: DBrow

Echelon and carnivore thanks to WBJC


22 posted on 12/19/2005 5:07:01 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: Xanadu2112

Don't ya just luv Left wing hate??


23 posted on 12/19/2005 5:07:15 PM PST by Thanatos
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To: Xanadu2112
Jonathan Alter is a poor excuse for a reporter.

A little research would be in order before writing this kind of tripe. But he seems incapable of even the most basic research.

If he bothered to check out section 1802 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, "Electronic Surveillance Authorization Without Court Order" he would find it very informative. There he would learn that "Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year".

24 posted on 12/19/2005 5:08:18 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Xanadu2112
you took the words right out of my mouth (Meatloaf)
D--m good point.
25 posted on 12/19/2005 5:08:24 PM PST by devildognc (USMC 1972-1979 The Few The Proud THE MARINES)
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To: Xanadu2112

Mr. Alter's hair transplants must have grown into his brain.


26 posted on 12/19/2005 5:10:23 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Xanadu2112

"Finally we have a Washington scandal that goes beyond sex, corruption and political intrigue to big issues like security versus liberty and the reasonable bounds of presidential power."

I'll bet every word of that sentence was written in an extreme state of sexual ecstasy.


27 posted on 12/19/2005 5:10:41 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Lakeshark

and one I have heard quite a few times today from the other side of the aisle? hmmm. Talking points out early, huh gang. King... Dictator...yada yada yada


28 posted on 12/19/2005 5:12:01 PM PST by newconhere
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To: WorkingClassFilth

"Finally we have a Washington scandal...." says it all right there to me.


29 posted on 12/19/2005 5:14:01 PM PST by newconhere
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Dear Newsweek:

I notice you did not tell the reader just which law it is the president broke. Perhaps that is because he didn't break any laws.

In fact, legislation posted below says that US citizens can be subject to warrantless wiretaps.

This is the legislation that pertains to citizens of the United States:

section 1801, subsection (i): "United States person," which includes citizens, legal aliens, and businesses, explicitly "does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power."

Does that mean that even if you are a citizen you cash in your abovementioned rights by collaborating with terrorists? Yes. You have then become an "Agent of a foreign power" as defined under subsection (b)(2)(C). Such agents include anyone who "knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power," and even includes those who aid and abet or knowingly conspire with those engaged in such behavior.

Does that include everyone, even citizens? Yes. Subsection (b)(1) is the part that applies to foreigners; (b)(2) covers everybody. And the whole point of the act is to collect "foreign intelligence information," which is defined under section 1801 subsection (e)(1)(B) as "information that relates to, and if concerning a United States person is necessary to, the ability of the United States to protect against sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."

And then of course, Newsweek, there's this little tidbit you forgot to mention:

Congress passed new legislation which permitted the wiretapping of US citizens without a warrant.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543451/posts

But hey, since when have you ever let a few facts get in the way of your agenda? LOL


30 posted on 12/19/2005 5:14:44 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Xanadu2112
in what lawyers outside the administration say is a clear violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Please, please Mr Alter and all you liberal scumbags, please quote me the law that was violated. You can't. You liberal scum hide behind the lie that you cannot be unpatriotic if you are American. Well all members of Congress, and all federal officials take an oath to protect and defend the constitution and the US against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. The democrats and liberals are enemies of the people of the United States, and the day will come when you will be exposed and receive your just punishment.

31 posted on 12/19/2005 5:17:25 PM PST by feedback doctor (Liberalism is like a religion - islam)
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To: Xanadu2112

Indeed!


32 posted on 12/19/2005 5:21:14 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Xanadu2112

Brilliant letter. They just can't win with their tired old kneejerk ideology.


33 posted on 12/19/2005 5:21:14 PM PST by Albion Wilde ((America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush))
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To: Reagan Man

You forgot - he's a traitor too.


34 posted on 12/19/2005 5:21:33 PM PST by 43north (Liberals are obsessed by the vulgarity of their lives & the obscenity of their behavior.)
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To: QueenBee3
1941!

Naval Intelligence had cracked the Japanese encryption codes BEFORE Pearl Harbor. In fact, we had decrypted and read the Japanese declaration of war BEFORE the Japanese diplomats, Kurusu and Nomura, could do so themselves!

We read every single radio wave, phone call, and telegram we could. Unfortunately, they didn't put it all together to save Pearl Harbor until about the very hour the attack commenced. We did put this intelligence to good use six months later at Midway, sinking 4 Japanese main carriers and stopping their offense actions for the rest of the war.

We need to impeach FDR then, using democrat logic of today.

35 posted on 12/19/2005 5:21:50 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Altair333

And besides, 99 percent of America doesn't read your magazine and most of those read it a year later in a Dr's office.


36 posted on 12/19/2005 5:22:29 PM PST by tiki
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
rathergate, downingstreetgate, plamegate, electiongate

travelgate, monicagate, cigargate, stealingthewhitehousefurnituregate...

37 posted on 12/19/2005 5:25:04 PM PST by Albion Wilde ((America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush))
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To: QueenBee3
Excellent point. During WW II, the OSS (predecessor of the CIA) kept close tabs on communications between Americans and Germans, Japanese, and Italians. I know about this from personal history, because I was born during that war, and I had one German grandparent -- compare that to the Japanese-Americans who were locked up in barbed-wire camps if they had one Japanese grandparent.

Not only is that normal practice during a declared war, but all of the current intercepts concern INTERNATIONAL communications, and on the other end of all of these three dozen (give or take a few) communications was an Al Qaeda-associated person.

A President in wartime who did NOT use this, and many other forms, of smoking out threats to the nation, would be derelict in his duties. It's as simple as that.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: " 'Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics' in Military Recruitment"

38 posted on 12/19/2005 5:35:34 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: Lakeshark

They are living in an alternative universe!


39 posted on 12/19/2005 5:35:38 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: DBrow

That is such a great post!


40 posted on 12/19/2005 5:38:55 PM PST by hole_n_one
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